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#5781 Re: Guns N' Roses » Radio Reacts To Guns N' Roses Single » 916 weeks ago
karma captain winkler for saying what i was thinking
the positive reviews are unanimously more objective and acually point out the reasons they like and dislike certain aspects to the song.
the negative reviews are shorter much more subjective and irresponsible.
What a joke - they are more objective? Give me a break. The only opinion that is valid is the one that agrees with you? Bullshit. It's funny that the same people that claim every opinion is valid when it works for them are now claiming the exact opposite when it works against them. You are all a bunch of hypocrits.
The song is in the top 5 because the internet idiots are plugging it, not because the general public wants to hear it. You want proof? Go to EVERY GnR forum and you'll find at least 1 thread pushing people to vote for the songs and followed by posts of people proud that they did so. But all those votes in your mind are real and people really want to hear the song? Now who's being irresponsible?
#5782 Re: Guns N' Roses » Radio Reacts To Guns N' Roses Single » 916 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:russtcb wrote:I just can't imagine why you care about it at all.
No, the problem is that you assume you know something about me when you don't. You've pretty much had it in for me for awhile now and I'm not really sure why. If you have a problem with me, take it to PM, otherwise respect the fact that I have an opinion and I have the right to share it.
Fuck all of you that think I want this album to fail. It's actually quite the opposite, but what I see has failure written all over it. You see that as being negative, I see it as being honest with myself, which more of you should look into. Read what's going on around you, read the not so surreal thread...this isn't as great as you either think it is or want it to be. People are underwhelmed, and these are fans that have been on the forums for years.
I'm staying out of the celebration thread and any other thread specifically for that purpose. I'm responding to the threads that I'm interested in. Nobody asked me to stay out of that thread - I even deleted a post in a thread that I thought brought a bad vibe to a good thread. I'm sympathetic to your cause, but threads like radio's response are fair game for any comments (positive or negative).
i bet this will be seen as 'insulting people' again, but fuck it who cares, this forum is weird, people can slag on peoples happiness, insult people trying to promote the album(requesting the song be played is obviously a way to get people to listen to it duh) but as soon someone attacks someone for billy overly negative its "oh no you can't do that. he can sully ANY positive sentiments that people are trying to express but if you say one word about his negativity you are wicked wicked person".
i was avoiding reading anything here because of the overtly negative and depressing people(buzzaw and tejsomething) but i thought "hey, maybe such great news may have washed anyway the depressive grip that they were enveloped in" but no, i decide to the read this thread and i see you insulting bright eyes for being positive, just fuckin wow.
i have a question for you, are you a depressed person in real life? are you just generally unhappy and bleak? i bet you're a lot of fun to hang out with in real life, do your friends(i seriously doubt you have any) put up with you? i am being serious, what is wrong? are you unhappy?
that is all i wanted to say, but hey i bet i am the one who needs to' lighten up'. i assume i should be telling bright eyes what a despicable person he/she is right?
thanx monkeychow for posting that, do you know if triple j have been playing it monkey?
Hopefully management will deal with you stalking me and making unwarrented personal attacks...if not, you can expect a response later today.
#5783 Re: Guns N' Roses » Radio Reacts To Guns N' Roses Single » 916 weeks ago
So the only way to not like it is if you're closed minded? That's pretty open minded of you. I'll let you in on a secret: when you heard it, you were equally closed minded and had already convinced yourself you would like it. It's called human nature.
#5784 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N Roses 'Street Team' possibilities » 916 weeks ago
I sent the link to CD out to the people I know in radio. I didn't ask them what they thought, nor do I care what they thought...I just wanted them to have the songs since they are going to know people that are going to be interested.
#5785 Re: Guns N' Roses » Radio Reacts To Guns N' Roses Single » 916 weeks ago
i think the album will be successful. in north america in 06, the band was playing to crowds around 10000 every night. surely by 2006 they knew slash wasnt in the band
Really? I think that number is high, especially when you remove the NYC shows, but let's pretend it is accurate. How many of those tickets were given away? How many of the people that would only go to a show with free tickets are going to drive to Best Buy to purchase CD? How many of the people that bailed during the new songs are going to run to Best Buy to purchase CD?
Hint: It's probably not a high number.
#5786 Re: Guns N' Roses » Radio Reacts To Guns N' Roses Single » 916 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:James Lofton wrote:I think you're being a bit harsh. While I actually agree with some of your sentiment regarding the 'street team' approach to this, you're going a bit too far labeling a fan as ignorant just because they want the song/album to show up high on the charts.
The ignorance is the thinking that spamming the stations is helping. When the song drops off the charts tomorrow or the next day, it's airplay is done. That helps how?
You're assuming this was ALL the work of us GNR fans. You may be right, but isn't it possible some people actually heard the song today for the first time and liked it and voted themselves. I mean, a new song by Guns N' Roses is a pretty big deal and I'd like to think that some other people could be excited about it as well.
For the record, I only requested the song once, as it is a station I listen to.
Some people? Yes. Now go look at every GnR forum and you'll see multiple Bright Eyes pushing people to do the same thing. It's pure fabrication and when they get tired of doing it, the song is off the charts. That for those that weren't aware is a bad thing.
#5787 Re: Guns N' Roses » Radio Reacts To Guns N' Roses Single » 916 weeks ago
Buzzsaw, I think you stated earlier that you can't put much stock in people's initial opinions on the song today. I would agree with you, but for different reasons. You seem to think the song was getting favorable reviews right from the bat, and from a majority of GNR forum members. I'm not gonna deny that I'm sure we all did our part and then some, but I found that the response to the song got stronger throughout the day. When I first listened to the song at 6 this morning on WAAF, the callers were bashing the song with the typical "it took 15 years for this?". "Axl can't sing anymore". etc, etc. The DJ's were a little unsure of Axl too, but they did say they thought the band sounded really good. But by the time they played the song for the 3rd time in three hours there were no more negative calls, and the DJ's completely changed their tune and were saying the song was really good. That goes to show me that after a few listens, if people let the song sink in, it can be appreciated for what it is.
The DJs have to listen to the song over and over. The general public does not. If the song has to grow on you, it was the wrong choice to reintroduce a band that has been out of the public eye for 13 years. The general public is not going to keep listening until they like it.
#5788 Re: Guns N' Roses » Radio Reacts To Guns N' Roses Single » 916 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:Bright Eyes 2005 wrote:That is killer--and we should keep voting, as Sirius Octane is likely the most listened to rock station in the U.S.
Ignorance, pure ignorance. This isn't helping at all.
For Christ's sake, get people to actually be interested in the band instead of trying to make people think the band is popular when it isn't. Axl wants to sell records, he doesn't give a fuck that some crazy internet person sent 1000 e-mails to a radio station. You're not helping sell records.
When it suddenly drops off the lists after a day because the internet retards stop spamming the radio stations, tell me exactly why they are going to keep playing the song? Exactly.
I think you're being a bit harsh. While I actually agree with some of your sentiment regarding the 'street team' approach to this, you're going a bit too far labeling a fan as ignorant just because they want the song/album to show up high on the charts.
The ignorance is the thinking that spamming the stations is helping. When the song drops off the charts tomorrow or the next day, it's airplay is done. That helps how?
#5789 Re: Guns N' Roses » Radio Reacts To Guns N' Roses Single » 916 weeks ago
That is killer--and we should keep voting, as Sirius Octane is likely the most listened to rock station in the U.S.
Ignorance, pure ignorance. This isn't helping at all.
For Christ's sake, get people to actually be interested in the band instead of trying to make people think the band is popular when it isn't. Axl wants to sell records, he doesn't give a fuck that some crazy internet person sent 1000 e-mails to a radio station. You're not helping sell records.
When it suddenly drops off the lists after a day because the internet retards stop spamming the radio stations, tell me exactly why they are going to keep playing the song? Exactly.
#5790 Re: Guns N' Roses » Radio Reacts To Guns N' Roses Single » 916 weeks ago
Yes russ. I want it to be a success and I hope that I am wrong. There are just too many things pointing towards disappointment for me to ignore.
I prefer UYI to AFD and many of the songs I prefer are the "Axl" songs. That said, I really like what Slash added to those songs. Slash is why I play guitar and while he is not the most talented player out there, I really like his style. Some of the things he's done have been not so good and in some cases, bad. I don't like everything he does because he did it. I used to be one of the biggest Axl defenders out there.
Do I consider this band GnR? No, not really.
Am I ok with an Axl Rose solo album released as GnR? Not really, but it is what it is.
Do I prefer a GnR with Slash in it? Yes, right now I do.
Do I prefer a GnR without Slash to no GnR? Absolutely.
Do I want any GnR to be successful? Yes, as long as it is genuinely successful and not fabricated. This is where a lot of my issues with CD come in.
I've been on record for years on my feelings on the CD songs. I think TWAT could be one of my favorite GnR songs ever. Top 5, but I want to hear the final version before making that decision. If someone that really does want the album to succeed sees it this way, how do you think the rest of the world is going to react? All the people saying they don't care what other people think are not being completely honest with themselves. We all care what other people think. It makes a huge difference and can have a major impact in the future of the band we all care about both short term and long term.
I'm fine that other people love the demos and love this version of CD, but they seem to have this expectation that people all over are just going to love the song and that just isn't realistic. Being unrealistic in expectations is in my opinion worse than expecting the worst. If the expectations bar is set at one level and the album doesn't get there, it will be deemed a failure. Who wins in that scenerio? Nobody.
So no matter what your reason for wanting the CD to be at least relatively successful, that is what we all want. An album that some long term fans are not all that excited about is a potential problem. An album that some fans are labeling as the holy grail is a potential problem if it falls short. An album sold at a retail store as an exclusive that most people are not going to be rushing to the store to buy creates a potential problem. The Best Buy thing, while great for immediate cash for the band, is a major, major mistake in my opinion. The few people that buy CDs now aren't rushing to BB to buy this album with the song CD used as the promotional single. It won't help sales ultimately, it will hurt sales. None of these things by themselves are MAJOR issues, but add them all together and it is a lot for a band that has been out of the spotlight for 15 years and only one of the key guys is left. It's never worked out before and it's pure ignorance to assume that this time is going to be different.
That is a pretty realistic opinion on the situation. Things could work out great, but the reality is that the odds are against it. That doesn't make me negative, that makes me realistic.
