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#5881 Re: The Garden » GNR Evolution NFL Yahoo Pick Em League » 919 weeks ago

No, I think you're right where you belong.  tongue

#5882 Re: The Garden » GNR Evolution NFL Yahoo Pick Em League » 919 weeks ago

This is pretty close...wide open race right now.

#5883 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » New GNR vs old GNR/ GNR vs Velvet Revolver thread » 919 weeks ago

russtcb wrote:

I guess we're splitting hairs at this point then. I wouldn't see any problem at all with a section just for old v new topics. I still don't see why posts in that vein wouldn't just be moved there in the first place.

If I'm trying to read a topic about CD, why should I have to sit through any posts to do with the past?

Because those posts came up legitimately as part of the discussion.  You seem to want to play in a world where none of the past really happened or it has nothing to do with today, but that just isn't the case.  It happened, it matters, and in most cases, whatever is brought up is relavent to the discussion. 

You (or anybody else - I'm using "you" for simplicity's sake) wanting to see it is another story, but that doesn't mean it deserves to go away.  Get rid of "Slash rulz!1!!!, Axl drulz!!1!!" and crap like that - I will never complain about that.  If a  conversation about new GnR heads towards Shotgun Blues legitimately, then the problem is you and you deal with it.  If you can't deal with it, follow my suggestion and wait until the thread is cleaned up and read it then.

#5884 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » New GNR vs old GNR/ GNR vs Velvet Revolver thread » 919 weeks ago

downliner wrote:

Nice to see people care so much about this community they'll argue for a good 5 pages on the best format we can use smile

Thank you for recognizing my purpose here.  I can't tell you how much I appreciate that.

I don't think one thread is the answer either. Hell, maybe we can be the one board that offers a section dedicated to only old vs new discussion.

This is exactly what my suggestion is about.  The difference is that I let the discussion continue in the section it was started until it is completed, then move either the whole thread or the parts that aren't applicable to the thread itself to a new area if they want to continue the discussion later.

#5885 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » New GNR vs old GNR/ GNR vs Velvet Revolver thread » 919 weeks ago

Neemo wrote:
buzzsaw wrote:

Don't tell me what I think.  What I posted is 100% the truth.  You may not want to admit it, but that's your problem, not mine.  This music is OK at best, and in most cases, it sucks in the form that we've been given.  Maybe on the album it will be mastered better and it will sound better, but the UYI demos smoke every single demo we have right now musically.  Every single one of them.  Not some of them, not a few of them...every single one of them.

Wow...maybe I inadvertantly started it.  Interesting - I didn't even realize it.  My point is the same though.  I assure you I didn't go in there to get into an old vs new discussion.  I had a valid point and I made it.

#5886 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » New GNR vs old GNR/ GNR vs Velvet Revolver thread » 919 weeks ago

russtcb wrote:

I'd love that to, but for some reason we can't get away from that.

It's like James said... how in the hell did a discussion about a new mix of CD heard at a Best Buy conference turn into a discussion about Shotgun Blues??

Go back and review how it did.  It was actually a great discussion (though eventually it obviously wasn't related to the subject of the thread).  Take away a couple minor personal attacks and the discussion was exactly what we should want to encourage. 

Nobody said Slash rulz!!!!! or anything stupid like that.  A point was made, a counter point was made, and several posts later, I was being asked if I preferred Shotgun Blues demos to Better demos.  He didn't do it to start an old vs new discussion...it came naturally through the conversation we were having and it was a completely fair question based on where things were headed.

Could it have been handled differently?  Sure, but it's not like either of us went in there to get in an old vs new debate, nor did either of us make a post that didn't fit a logical progression of the thread.  That's where it went.  I didn't take it there, I'm sure he didn't take it there on purpose or maybe he didn't even realize he took it there, but I did respond.

#5888 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » New GNR vs old GNR/ GNR vs Velvet Revolver thread » 919 weeks ago

russtcb wrote:
buzzsaw wrote:

No response to valid posts made over 12 hours ago.  Pretty much proves my point.

Oh...you must've missed these questions from me then that you didn't respond to:

russtcb wrote:

Let me get this straight. You're claiming that it's fans of the new band that would like each thread about new news to turn into a discussion about how great the original band is?

And they provoke that response by posting how much they like a new song or member?

Oh no, I responded...I just chose to delete it because you simply aren't getting it.  You don't want to get it.  Anyhow...

Show me anywhere in any of my posts in this thread (or any other thread for that matter) where I said anything near what you're paraphrasing.  What I said was that fans of the new band make comments that beg for a response from fans that prefer the old band.  Then those comments come (as they should) and of course the conversation takes off from there.  The fans of the new band then cry about it to management and management gets on the person responding instead of the one that started it.  You guys bring it upon yourselves, then bitch when it happens.  WTF is that?

Now management wants fans of the new to be able to say whatever they want in the new section, but ANY response from a fan of the old has to go in a thread off the beaten path that nobody looks at.  How is that free speech?  It sure looks like censorship to me.

You want to make it fair?  Move all BH vs BBF discussions to this thread.  It's the same exact thing, but since management likes BH (and granted there aren't as many of them), those conversations are allowed.  THAT is what pisses me off about it.  If you're going to make a rule, then make a rule and enforce it across the board everywhere.  No BH vs BBF, no Robin vs anybody, no Brain vs Matt Sorum, hell - no old Axl vs new Axl for that matter...nothing.  Either honest discussion is allowed, or it isn't.  I'm all for stopping fans of either version of the band from going into the other sections and starting problems, but if something in that section deserves a response, you can't punish the person that responds or tell them that they have to respond in some other area.  That is not free speech.

Now do you get how rediculous this is?  Either it's all GnR related or it isn't.  I offered a solution that was fair to everybody and the only response I get to that is one from you that has nothing to do with solution?  Thanks a lot for listening objectively.

#5889 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » New GNR vs old GNR/ GNR vs Velvet Revolver thread » 919 weeks ago

No response to valid posts made over 12 hours ago.  Pretty much proves my point.

#5890 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » New GNR vs old GNR/ GNR vs Velvet Revolver thread » 919 weeks ago

russtcb wrote:

Threads about new subjects should contain posts about new subjects no?

If the same people who derail every thread into an old vs. new debate are steered toward here everyone should be happy right?

Those who want to beat the same dead horse can do so here. Those who want to talk about new, fresh and exciting subjects would be allowed to do so as well.

See?  That is the problem right there.  You're making a completely incorrect assumption.

The people starting the problems are the fans of the new for the most part.  They make inflammatory comments and fans who prefer the old get bent out of shape about it (as they have the right to).  So they respond.  Or someone compares the old to the new in the way the thread dictates it should and a fan of the new gets bent out of shape because of that.  Then fans of the new start crying that someone hijacked their thread.  Get it? 

So the problem isn't the fans that prefer the old band, it's the fans of the new band that get all bent out of shape that someone had the nerve to respond to their inflammatory post.  This "solution" is rewarding the person causing the problem to begin with. 

Let's really look at this closely...how many fans that prefer the old band have gone into new band threads and STARTED the problems?  By STARTED, I mean actually made a post that had nothing to do with the thread in question AND wasn't a response to another post in the thread.  If you're going to start naming people, I'm going to assume you'll also back it up with proof.

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