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#581 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 313 weeks ago
Biden called them white supremacist and refused to condemn antifa - they’re an idea, but not a group! Apparently white supremacy isn’t an idea, it’s a group though.
I mean... Antifa aren't a group. He's not wrong. It's a political movement that is comprised of likeminded autonomous groups and individuals.
And Biden specifically named a white supremacist group during the debate for Trump to denounce but instead he said "stand back and stand by". He's either a moron who got mixed up in his own word salad and spewed that out when trying to say stand down, cease and desist... or he is happy to have their support and meant what he said.
The white supremacist stuff is such a softball though. When asked just say verbatim "I denounce white supremacy, I don't even understand why this is a question". It's not hard.
#582 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 313 weeks ago
Biden flat out refused to answer when asked if he’d support removing the filibuster and pack the court. Trump’s interruptions were over the top, but Biden avoided answering in detail just as much.
I mean it's kind of hard to give an answer on those questions, or explain why you're not answering them directly, when the other guy keeps talking over you before your three words in. I don't think it's right to draw an equivalence between the two here. Especially when the other guy told a white supremacist group to "stand back and stand by". That's beyond the pale.
Biden seemed to, as someone who follows US politics from afar, give a bit more detail on actual policy and what he might want to do in the future throughout - although very little of that happened due to the way this "debate" was railroaded by Trump. Trump really just sniped with personal attacks, things from +20 years and bragged about things he claims he did these past four years. Didn't really talk about the future.
#583 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 313 weeks ago
Stayed up to watch it over here and I didn't think Biden was that bad - not sure if that's because I'm ideologically more likely to agree with him. He provided more detail on policy that Trump (although still not much because the debate didn't seem to allow for that) and sounded fine to me, plus no gaffes. . I was also floored by the 1 in 1000 African Americans have died from Covid stat, like that's fucked. Also seemed like on that last question of interference Biden actually handled it really well, although it's a stupid AF question for a debate.
Trump's interrupting was what I remembered the most from it though. It killed the debate but in a way that I feel just made him look really bad. Unedifying and a disgrace to be honest.
Question for all Americans here: Does Trump's interupting and blatant dodging of the questions play well over there beyond his base? I kept thinking throughout that it's the kind of thing that would turn off other voters, especially undecided women.
#584 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 313 weeks ago
I fail to see how the taxes stuff does anything to impact the vote. As has already been said the takeaway is "He pays little to no tax": those who already don't like him already knew/thought this and those who do like him either block it out or don't care.
The undecideds and swing voters already know this and lie to themselves or even if they do care and think it's bad - it's not something that shifts how they vote. If they do choose to vote for him it's one other thing they hold their nose about as they tick that box.
DNC should primarily attack him on competence and anything that is fully provable and demonstrable. Can't just point out bad things he's said either. You can't just go to hispanic voters and go "You have to come out and vote blue, he called you all rapists". Yeah, he may have but if you're not also offering a compelling story about what you'll do for their lives they are likely to either hold their nose and vote for him because he does say something about that OR just not turnout at all.
I think talks of national security threats (can he be blackmailed because of his debt, Russia, etc.) even if legitimate always sound hyperbolic and do more harm to your campaign than the other. I remember during the Brexit vote one remain campaigning politician (I think it was the PM) talked about the possibility of a WW3 at one point. His general point was that the EU by keeping countries economically tied together for decades had lessened the chance of conflict amongst them that had been seen in the decades and centuries prior but, the headline takeaway was "PM says leaving the EU risks WW3" and it sounded ridiculous.
Separate to all of that, since I doubt it got much coverage over in the US. Channel 4 over here got access to the 2016 campaign database and did a piece on it. If you are unaware of how microtargetted voters can be these days it's worth a watch.
#585 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 314 weeks ago
Taylor wasn't murdered. She was killed when her boyfriend shot a fucking cop who was serving a legal warrant. 100/100 times if cops are shot while serving a warrant, they're going to fire back.
Dude, she was shot and died. Maybe wasn't intentional but it's still murder.
All I was advocating for was that people aren't killed and are instead arrested and tried. Many cops in America seem incapable of doing their job without shooting. That's a problem.
#586 Re: The Garden » The United Kingdom General Election, 2nd May 2024 » 314 weeks ago
Gonna grab an xbox series s too. €299 for a next gen console and never have to buy games. I'm in.
Can get three years of Game Pass Ultimate for the price of one by the way. Just buy three 12 month prepaid Live Gold cards, load them on to your account and then pay the £1/$1/€1 upgrade fee and all those months turn into Games Pass Ultimate months.
I got the S too. The display I'll be hooking it up to is only 1440p anyways so it's all I'll need for now.
#587 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 314 weeks ago
That Taylor had nothing to do with her ex-boyfriend’s drug enterprise. He was recorded in jail on the phone telling people she had his money stored for him. He had drugs mailed to her apartment for her to store to keep them separate from his residence.
Even if true, that doesn't justify murdering her in anyway.
If that's a problem then arrest her, charge her, try her, convict her and sentence her to whatever punishment is appropriate.
Cops in America are way too trigger happy in general. Throw in systemic and legacyracism and it's a bad mix that doesn't look like it will be addressed properly anytime soon.
#588 Re: The Garden » The United Kingdom General Election, 2nd May 2024 » 314 weeks ago
What's everyone's Lockdown II plans? Me, I'm getting a new Xbox.
#589 Re: The Garden » The Wrestling thread » 314 weeks ago
Never watched it. Other than wanting to move up to the big leagues quick or the decision to wrestle solo matches against Flair where Hawk was obviously quite capable, not sure exactly how he was sabotaging them.
Dark Side of the Ring is great. The Benoit and Hart episodes were a punch in the gut. Really well done show.
#590 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 314 weeks ago
Where's Deborah Birx been?
The virus is over. Shhhh.
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