Consider it backed up.  Unless you just weren't clear and you meant reading these conversations.

Again, it's you guys bringing up Slash.  I've never seen anybody that prefers the old band say that the songs would be great if Slash played on them.  I've seen people say that they'd like to see what he could do on the songs, but that is 2 different things. 

I've actually seen a pretty common theme regarding the new material.  Over-produced, too much going on, too many layers, etc.  Why don't the defenders of the new band ever address the real issues with the songs instead of making some up?  Do you want to know why people want to hear what Slash would come up with?  See the bolded section above...those weren't issues on most of the music Slash was on in GnR and he managed to overcome it and shine when it was an issue.

So instead of doing things to pick fights with the huge number of GnR fans that love Slash, why don't you actually address the issues with the new songs instead.  You're never going to get away from the old vs new debate no matter what you do as long as this is referred to as GnR.  Get over it and find good things to say about your version of GnR instead of attacking those that feel differently.

No, that isn't it at all.  You guys keep making it about Slash, it's really about the songs themselves.  You guys keep bringing up Slash, not me.  I've said plenty of similar comments about Slash's post GnR work as I have about Axl's.  Neither of them is nearly as good without the other.

As for VR, I'd take most of the VR songs over these leaks even though i don't really care for either.  At least I can hear what's going on in the VR songs (though at times I wish I couldn't).  The only thing these leaks shit all over is themselves. 

If these leaks were the holy grail, cd would have been out a decade ago.  It's pretty common knowledge that the album was rejected by the label, even if it wasn't "officially" rejected.  None of these songs are new since then.  Put two and two together.

Before anyone in management starts chewing us out, other than a few personal references by both of us, this was actually a pretty good discussion (though probably the wrong place for it).  We've conversed through PMs and there is no problem here...nothing to see...move along.

Not wrong.  Maddy sucks ass, so I would take my world over it because even though it sucks, my world ends sooner. 

I actually like Better.  It is my 2nd favorite of the leaks after TWAT.  I would take any UYI demo (that I've heard) over either song.  If they could strip either Better or TWAT down, I think I would prefer those to some of the UYI/AFD songs, but as they stand today, I stick with my choice of the UYI demos.  I said this when I first heard them and I'm still saying it.  Too much going on, but a lot of potential with both songs.  My opinion has not changed a bit.  Clutter ruins every single one of these new band leaks.