JonathanvonDoom wrote:

I'd like to know how this has deteriorated into a bloated pissing match for people to try and argue their opinions as fact with such condescending "I will word this better than you and therefore I am right" glee. Some of us like the leaks, really like them. Apparently some of us don't. That's all. I really, really like them. I'm not wrong. And so ... thank you. Go back to talking about the guy who claims to have the "finished" album.

I totally agree. I was thinking the same thing before I read your post. It's like how does a thread start the way this one did and then turn into me getting told (again) how superior Slash & BH are to GNR's current guitarists???

Getting back on track; Mick Wall and Ross Halfin are douches.

buzzsaw wrote:

war wrote:

even if he listened to the leaks he should have gotten past the second song. this is untrue or he is the most unqulaified person in the world to judge music. i gotta go out on  a limb and say that the leaks are better than the rest of the music on that list. gunslinger and atari legend also bring up good reasons for why this is bullshit.

You're wrong.  The songs we've heard aren't all that good.  BH saves TWAT much like Slash saved NR and Estranged, and Better is an ok song.  Other than that, the songs are overrated and overbloated pieces of crap.  If it's the demos he's heard, I think he called it exactly right depending on which 2 songs he heard.  If it's a final copy and the songs are as overproduced as the demos are, he's right there as well.  The only chance these songs have of mainstream success is a stripped down version that's less than 5 minutes long.  Even then, by the time the album is released, the majority of the fan base will consider them old songs.

Anyone that thinks that CD is going to change the music world better hope it's never released or they will find the results even more disappointing than the wait.

I am not wrong. Opinion is opinion, not fact. To be objective and still understand that this is still arguing over opinion is not wrong. You can't objectively rate something without listening to all of it rather than the first two parts. This guy is either unqualified or this isn't true. Either way, we shouldn't be worried about the quality of the album based on this. And saying buckethead saved twat is like saying guitar is the only important instrument in the band. He is great on it, yes. i agree but if it was a bad song the only thing that would save it was it being totally rewritten.  On the contrary, the reason buckethead shines on it is because it was written accordingly (for his great soloing)  It's not like they had this crappy song complete with no soloing on it and buckethead came in and said, "hey axl put that porno in the dvd. You know that crappy song you wrote called TWAT. i am gonna save it. It will be great when i am done with it."

even if he listened to the leaks he should have gotten past the second song. this is untrue or he is the most unqulaified person in the world to judge music. i gotta go out on  a limb and say that the leaks are better than the rest of the music on that list. gunslinger and atari legend also bring up good reasons for why this is bullshit.

buzzsaw wrote:

Are you kidding?  Never intentionally lies?  Who do you blame for all the lies coming out of the GnR camp, which is run ONLY by Axl?

If this is about release dates, then I think he believed in them at the time.

buzzsaw wrote:

The band would have been nothing without him?  Please.  Slash was obviously on the radar at that point in the LA music scene and Izzy wrote or co-wrote pretty much all of AFD.  Steven was a hanger on, but Duff is a talented musician and would have caught on somewhere.  You sound a lot like Axl and Baz brainwashed you into believing this load of crap.  I prefer NR and Estranged to a lot of the UYI songs, but to ignore the contributions Slash made to those songs is just ignorant.  I'm pretty sure Axl even thanked him for Estranged in the liner notes.

If Axl wasn't there... "Snakepit" I know some love those albums, but that isn't what I loved in GNR, more specifically UYI II.

...Yeah I love Slash's playing but I think don't agree with his probable vision.

William Axl Rose

He wrote and crafted some of the most beautiful & Rock N' Roll music ever made. To me the band through it's various incarnations would be nothing without this guys vision.
If Slash and the other guys were left to rule the roost over the UYI direction, we never would have had "Estranged" or "November Rain". Those are the songs that I love, I prefer the deep and meaningful, pretentious or not.

He never intentionally lies. He believes in what he says, and he obviously chosen music over money.
As for his spiritual believes, what's wrong with them. I believe the same things to a certain extent.

....And... apart from that here is like 14 years later still hung up, on some woman he used to know, that's true love for you, you don't accept and you don't move on, you get pissed.