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#6461 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Scott Weiland in Rehab » 953 weeks ago

nugdafied wrote:
Gunslinger wrote:

Scott is heading down the same road Layne Staley did.

Not even close.

Staley would have made an awesome singer for VR. Sucks he passed. Yeah, I can't truly compare them either. Staley basically resorted to being a hermit his last few years. Weillands a rock star who does drugs, Staley was a drug addict who was in a rock band.

#6462 Re: The Sunset Strip » GNRevolution name that tune thread (game) » 953 weeks ago

russtcb wrote:

C) Motley Crue - On With The Show[/i]

A band The Getup Kids (i think) does a cool cover of this song. I know it's not the lyrics but I thought I'd mention it. Worth downloading if it's on itunes or anything if you like the song.

#6463 Re: The Garden » Mitt's suspends campaign » 953 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:

Right, Bush's presidency has been in a time of war where Clinton had no major conflicts or events during his presidency; it was pretty uneventful.

Although it's partially choices made too. Granted 911 was a disaster, one of the worst (probably the worst) attacks to affect us. But Iraq is the wrong country to be in. Are we fighting Al Qaeda & terrorists, or are we helping Iraq recover from the post-Saddam era. Because everytime I hear about the good that's being done it's always about improving Iraqi's way of life, building schools, restoring electricity & water (No offense, but didn't out bombing knock it out in the first place). Not so much about catching terrorist, although admittedly we do catch some, which is a good thing. But there are other (several otehr) countries under poor leadership & dictators. Clinton had Somalia to deal with, and could have chosen to invade & overthrow their government, but chose not to. (Makes me wonder if oil is part of the reason for assisting Iraq, with a Texas president, many ties to the oil industry, Haliburton working in Iraq, hmmmmm. That's a whole nother discussion). Somalia easily could have been a 6+ year war, with insurgents resisting & fighting back at us. Again, it was a fairly quick stay. Maybe it wasn't as serious a need as Iraq, but I don't think so, I think it was the decision made, to choose not to overthrow. A foreign policy.

#6464 Re: The Garden » Mitt's suspends campaign » 953 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:

Ecspecially when they will be forced to spend more than Bush ever has with their policies.

I think THIS is the part we disagree with. You are making these vague statements as if they are facts, which they are not. They are your assumptions, or predictions. But certainly NOT facts. It'd be like Dem supporters here saying McCain WILL keep us in Iraq for 4-8 more years, thousands more soldiers killed AND spend Trillions more. Isn't neccesarily true, or a fact. But if McCain said this, do you honestly beleive he would win the general election?!

#6465 Re: The Garden » Mitt's suspends campaign » 953 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:

They'll continue to tax and spend.  Hillary or Obama will not be getting us out of Iraq any time soon.  That is the simple reality and you need to accept that.  They will being to implement their social plans which will jack of the budget trillions more.  You can delude yourself into thinking that only the extremely wealthy will pay for this, but you'd be mistaken.  There is no such thing as a free lunch and we're all gonna have to pay for the "change" Democrats want.  Match that with the fact that gas ain't going down any time soon and I fail to see how the economy will be magically better.  The only way to assist the economy, which isn't as bad as you and others want to believe it is, is to cut spending and apply a tax to the wealthy that is proportional to what the middle class pays.  I believe if you follow the current stimulus plan, we'll have a surplus in 4 or 5 years.  If we elect a fiscal conservative, the economy will boom.  Electing Hillary or Obama will be more of the same with wreckless spending.

In the end rhetoric and feel good speeches have no affect on reality.

au contraire, that's a myth. Bill Clinton balanced the budget, George Bush fucked it up. Seriously. As for a free lunch, pull us outta Iraq in 2 years, & spend the enormous amount of money elsewhere. I've found 2 unbiased references (search for about 4 to find a nonbiased, national debt chart) that support this, the Dow Jones stock market history (where alot of middle class invest & have their 401k retirement in) and the national debt chart, check it out until CLintons 90's years, then it skyrockets as soon as Bush takes office. Again, the republican belief is give tax breaks to the rich, in theory they spend more, which creates more jobs (retail, sales marketing). That's the theory, but it really doesn't work. Clinton gave tax breaks directly to the middle class, and assistance with college loans, financial aid, etc. It's 2 different economic philosophies, you choose which one you want to support. But to blatantly say the Dems spend is way off base, and similar to Bush calling Kerry a "Flip-flopper" a stupid name calling tactic that catches on with the public.

Dow Jones - Stagnant under Bush: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5EDJI&t=my

Nasdaq: which measures more hi-tech funds: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5EIXIC&t=my

National Debt - Increases under Bush (and Reagan, although the sstock market took off under his 2nd term): http://www.data360.org/graph_group.aspx … roup_Id=32


And this tax rebate/stimulus package will end up being nothing more than a blip on the radar. Same way it did in 2001 or 02. There will not be any benefits 4-5 years down the line from it. . Granted, Bill Clinton had the benefit of the internet boom, but he rode the coattails of it, and didn't interfere with the explosion of it by trying to institute taxes and allowing middle class to invest more in it. No matter what, the 90's will go down as great economic times for the US (Economically, probably better than the 80's).  You can say the dot com bust hurt Bush from the start, but Bush certainly is not leaving his follower in a good position either.

Bill Clinton: Little foreign wartime, balanced budget, good economic times
W. Bush : 6+ year war caused by invading another country, trillions spent, stagnant economy.


Hmmmmmm, I don't see what's hard to get.

#6466 Re: The Garden » Misunderstood Lyrics » 953 weeks ago

Mellencamp, Jack & Dianne "Hold on to 16 as long as you can, changes come around real soon you'll be swimming again."

(He really says 'you'll be women & men'). Good artist though, I like him alot.

#6467 Re: The Garden » Mitt's suspends campaign » 953 weeks ago

madagas wrote:

, plus who will be the VP's before deciding on my general election vote. As Randall Flagg said though,  :

I do think the VP's will play an important part in the general election. I don't think there will be a Clinton/Obama, Obama/CLinton ticket. Nor should there be. I think Clintons better off with maybe Joe Biden or possibly Wesley Clark would be a good choice & Obama better off with Biden or Edwards or Dean. Maybe Clark as well. He'd be a great choice as VP, along with Biden IMHO.

I saw on MSNBC this morning talk that Huckabee might run a clean race against McCain, if needed drop out because he could possibly be a VP nominee. I dunno if that'd be a good ticket at all. 2 different extreme's would avoid the middle of the road GOP.

The biggest problem for Hillary vs McCain is if she tries to hard to fight back & play dirty etc.. Obama does an excellent job not getting involved, dismissing it as nothing but a low blow, and moving on. Especially in debates. Clinton not so much but would benefit from it.

#6468 Re: The Garden » Misunderstood Lyrics » 953 weeks ago

Neemo wrote:

With the birds i share this loney view

I thought he said "Whisper to shed it's a lonely view"

For Def Leppards Pour some Sugar on Me where he sings "Do you like Sugar, One lump or two" I thought he said "Your lips like sugar.." and relaly had no idea what he said after that. I guess I would jusst sing along about (When I'm with you or something). Oddly enough I didn't find out the lyrics until about 2 or 3 weeks ago I was watching We are the 80's on VH1 & one of the people commented on that line. I thought to myself, 'Huh, I never knew that'

#6469 Re: The Sunset Strip » HEATH LEDGER DEAD » 953 weeks ago

I don't think it was an isolated incident either where one day he suddenly took too many pills and *plop* he was dead. I'd guess he was flirting with danger over weeks/months possibly years of being addicted to some of these pills. I would think in past he came close to od'ing, but made it through, cooled down a bit, then started flirting with disater again. Similar to a heroin addict (Cobain, Staley, Brad Nowell).

#6470 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Slash: "(STP Reunion) won't impact Velvet Revolver" » 953 weeks ago

I think they understand Scott may just stick with STP, in which case they'll get a new singer for the 3rd & final album.

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