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#701 Re: Guns N' Roses » Moscow, Russia (2 Show Discussion) » 756 weeks ago
The majority of the fans got the hits. The hardcores got new songs. I'd be willing to bet hardly any Russian fan, if any, walked away disappointed.
I'm sure that most of the fans who attended both (or all the three) nights were EXTREMELY disappointed. They'll never do this again, for sure, they've learnt their lesson: Axl doesn't give a flying f about his fans.
When some years ago Tori Amos, my other favourite artist toured, she played 4 or 5 'sets'. This meant that half of the show was stable, let's say Set1, Set2 etc., and she rotated other songs in the remaining half. She played more than 100 songs during the tour, so she did work for his fans' pleasure. Anyway, when she came to Vienna, she played let's say Set1. I was there enjoyed the show. A few weeks later she came to Budapest, and I went so see her again. Set1 again. It was a bummer. Did I enjoy the show? Yes. She was even better than in Vienna. But I was disappointed that I got half the same show in the neighbour country.
I know that people don't expect this much when it comes to GN'R. But I think you do expect them to change more than 1 song, if they play 2 shows in the same city in 24 hours. If you don't, then you either not a fan, or you are so much of an Axl Rose fan that it'd be enough for you to only see him sleeping on stage and you'd be happy. Sorry, but as a fan, I have expectations from my favourites and I'm not their zealot slave who hails all the bones that thrown.
#702 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Velvet Revolver new album & reunion tour » 756 weeks ago
I'm not excited at all. VR for me means a bored Slash, who gets limited space, and a singer who cannot deliver live. VR was Slash's weakest work ever. It wasn't that bad, but wasn't anything that good to go back for it and reunite.
#703 Re: Guns N' Roses » Hall of Fame Videos » 756 weeks ago
Smoking Guns wrote:Slash just looks and sounds like a total fucking badass in those clips!
man crush? Jesus....it isn't really that special. The induction and speeches were nice but the performance. Meh.
You have really high standards.
It's pure Guns N' Roses music wise, something that's been missing since 1993.
#704 Re: Guns N' Roses » Moscow, Russia (2 Show Discussion) » 756 weeks ago
war wrote:i think we're all united in that we want new music both live and studio.
but 99.99 percent of the people going to these shows aren't hanging on to every peep of every interview, hinting at new material while visiting gnrevo or any other fan forum hoping for news or rumors of new material. they aren't burnt out on gnr and the "same old" like we are.
True, that's why these shows and static setlists aren't a big F-U to the fans ATTENDING the shows. The truer argument would be they're a big F-U to us hardcores who follow their every move. I'd be willing to bet that the number of people who went to both shows in Moscow was relatively small.
And what did I write twice?
If it's not a huge middle finger to the hardcore Russian fans, then nothing is.
It is. Since they played 99% the same setlist 2 years ago, it's a middle finger to the softcores, too, who were there.
Aerosmith does check the last setlist they played in a city. Axl might have checked it... and played two more times. I really feel sorry for him. I've never thought he'd turn into this. No ambition, no hunger, no artistic integrity, nothing, just pure cash grab. I wish he'd prove me wrong. I hope he will, but I don't expect it. What a terrible waste of talent.
#705 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Slash - Halo » 756 weeks ago
I think Libertad is far superior to Contraband guitar wise and it's not even close. It's hidden in the max (thanks Scott), but it's way more diverse than Contraband is guitar wise. Take Slither, FTP, and Loving the Alien away and Contraband is a bunch of similar sounding songs. Nothing wrong with that and I like Contraband, but I think you're missing something guitar wise.
Agree. Contraband had the anger, drive and power, but often lacked musicality (except Set Me Free, Superhuman, YGNR and the songs you mentioned). Libertad was the opposite: more interesting musically, but lacked power.
#706 Re: Guns N' Roses » Moscow, Russia (2 Show Discussion) » 756 weeks ago
Mikkamakka wrote:misterID wrote:That's one of the dumest things I've read on this board in a long time.
Show me where anyone walked away from one of these shows disappointed.
Calm down and stop the insults.
We don't have Russian forum members. But the Axlist Fundemantalist 'you weren't there, so don't complain that it's the same setlist' bullshit just doesn't hold water anymore. (Not that it ever did.) I'm sure that a lot of Russian fans bought ticket to both shows. Cause they are huge fans. What did they get for their loyalty and money from their idol, Axl 'he only cares about the fans and not the money' Rose?
Not to mention that a lot of them were at the Moscow show two years ago. (I don't think even you would doubt that.) So they got 99% the same setlist for 3 Moscow shows. I think it's so cold in Russia that Axl's moving on project has just frozen.
If it's not a huge middle finger to the hardcore Russian fans, then nothing is.Insults? Haha, okay. Bands tour to make money. Sorry, that's how it works. People follow bands for several shows (like Rush) and get the same setlist.
I've said he needs to play new music. But he's going to play his music. He's not going to stop that. He plays a pretty good amount of new songs and they pretty much even out the number of songs for each GN'R album. So, yeah....
But the setlist police is what's getting old. Who cares? You and a few others keep saying you don't care but you must surely do. Where are all those Russian fans who did go to both shows who came away disappointed? Maybe they just so happened to enjoy themselves??
But I did forget, Slash never did anything for money.
If all Axl cared about was money, he'd be playing with the old guys right now.
Don't need to be butthurt. You are not Axl Rose. You are neither his relative, nor his friend. You are not his lawyer either. That's Ali.
The setlist is what's old. The same songs. The same order. Same shit, different day. If it's good enough for you, then I'm fine with that. But it's not good enough for me. Axl used to be my hero, but he's changed. All that's left is his paranoia. This tour is ONLY for money and he doesn't even try to hide it. Yes, musicians get a lot fo money off touring. They deserve it. But when you're playing 99 percent the same setlist at the same venue the other night, then it's a very, very big middle finger to the fans. That's rare: taking the money and showing the huge middle finger. But typical Axl.
You are the one who can't deal with it, so you're trying to build a different universe or start a 'your hero isn't better than mine' game. I'm not interested in that. Slash isn't my hero as a person. He's done a lot of things I hated. Even as a musician, unfortunately. But he'd never fuckin' play the same shit in 24 hours in the same city. If he does, I'll be the first to crucify him. But you just cannot accept that Axl Rose is a very selfish individual, who, besides the usual bullshit liar talk, doesn't give a flying fuck about his fans. I'm calling a spade a spade. You see no spades if it comes to Almighty Saint Axl. That's the difference.
#707 Re: Guns N' Roses » Moscow, Russia (2 Show Discussion) » 756 weeks ago
Mikkamakka wrote:This is a huge middle finger to the hardcore Russian fans. Shame on you, Axl.
That's one of the dumest things I've read on this board in a long time.
Show me where anyone walked away from one of these shows disappointed.
Calm down and stop the insults.
We don't have Russian forum members. But the Axlist Fundemantalist 'you weren't there, so don't complain that it's the same setlist' bullshit just doesn't hold water anymore. (Not that it ever did.) I'm sure that a lot of Russian fans bought ticket to both shows. Cause they are huge fans. What did they get for their loyalty and money from their idol, Axl 'he only cares about the fans and not the money' Rose?
Not to mention that a lot of them were at the Moscow show two years ago. (I don't think even you would doubt that.) So they got 99% the same setlist for 3 Moscow shows. I think it's so cold in Russia that Axl's moving on project has just frozen.
If it's not a huge middle finger to the hardcore Russian fans, then nothing is.
#708 Re: Guns N' Roses » Moscow, Russia (2 Show Discussion) » 756 weeks ago
Serious question;
Am I alone in saying that just a shake up would help? Even if GN'R played the same exact set list just in a wildly different order, I'm not sure why but that would make a difference to me.
It would help, but still wouldn't be too much. But would be more, since the stable setlist is really generic and boring and shows the complete lack of motivation (hey, Tommy, what do you feel playing that song?). Even the players must be bored to death by doing the same shit over and over and over and over and over again. So yes, it'd better to have a different order, at least.
But hey, in the past 10 years they played AFD minus Anything Goes, Patience, UTLH and Crazy off Lies, 6 UYI songs if I count it right and the whole CD album, plus some covers. That's a lot of material to choose from, and they know these songs, so why play the same set every night on a tour?
I'm not hoping for a new song debuting live. I'm not hoping for an old Slash track. In fact, I'm against the time travel. I'm just hoping for a little effort for the fans hard-earned money and for themselves. I mean Ron is on serious drugs to ease his pain... for this? For this bullshit fake setlist? C'mon... I know that the players aren't millionaires and they need the money, but they (some of them, at least) are artists, too and can't bear this stuff forever. I'm sure that even they have issues with the stable set.
And this is the same band whose leader has been talking about moving on for 13 years. The same band that plays '70s shows where anything can happen'. (:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:) The same band that used to be famous for being unpredictable, that's been preachin' about being unpredictable.
Sorry, but fans can only not predict the time the show begins. This remains from the former glory. And the not giving a shit attitude. Unfortunately today it's directed to the fans.
#709 Re: Guns N' Roses » Moscow, Russia (2 Show Discussion) » 756 weeks ago
This is a huge middle finger to the hardcore Russian fans. Shame on you, Axl.
#710 Re: Guns N' Roses » Moscow, Russia (2 Show Discussion) » 756 weeks ago
I've just realized they played 2 shows in Moscow. At least the second night the setlist was full of surprises. Wait...no
GUNS N' ROSES
EUROPE TOUR 2012
May 11th, 2012
Moscow, Russia
Stadium Live
Setlist:
Intro
Chinese Democracy
Welcome to the Jungle
It's so easy
Mr. Brownstone
Sorry
Rocket Queen
Estranged
Richard Fortus Solo
Live and let die
This I Love
Tommy solo (Motivation)
Dizzy solo
Street of Dreams
You could be mine
DJ Ashba solo
Sweet child o' mine
Jam, Axl Piano Intro/Another brick in the wall
November rain
Bumblefoot solo
Don't cry
Better
Knockin' on heaven's door
Nightrain
Band Jam
Madagascar
Band Jam
Paradise City
GUNS N' ROSES
Europe Tour 2012
May 12th, 2012
Moscow, Russia
Stadium Live
Setlist
Chinese Democracy
Welcome To The Jungle
It's So Easy
Mr. Brownstone
Sorry
Rocket Queen
Estranged
Richard Fortus Solo (James Bond Theme)
Live and Let Die
This I Love
Motivation
Dizzy Reed Solo (Baba O'Riley)
Street Of Dreams
You Could Be Mine
DJ Ashba Solo (Mi Amor)
Sweet Child o' Mine
Jam (Another Brick In The Wall)
Axl Rose Solo (Goodbye Yellow Brick Road, Someone Saved My Life Tonight)
November Rain
Bumblefoot Solo (The Pink Panther Theme)
Don't Cry
Whole Lotta Rosie
Knockin' On Heaven's Door
Nightrain
Jam
Madagascar
Better
Jam
Paradise City
