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#701 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 278 weeks ago

SG, did you feel you were treated with disrespect and dismissed?  Is that how your comments have been treated for months?  Curious, Irish seems to think insulting people and ignoring their posts and manufacturing ones to argue against is intelligent behavior.

#702 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 278 weeks ago

IRISH OS1R1S wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:
IRISH OS1R1S wrote:

You won't mind quoting where someone told SG he is human thrash. You haven't a very good history of backing up what you say.


That was hyperbole, but you can refer to the post where someone said "You supported Trump SG....you need to be held accountable." as a great example of that.  Now are you here to participate or act petulant because you really aren't that well informed and lack credible sources to support any of your underlying arguments.  Maybe you can link more tweets as a discussion.

Honesy all your posts are hyperbole.

"Honestly"?  I think that is the word you're trying to "teach" me.

#703 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 278 weeks ago

IRISH OS1R1S wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:
IRISH OS1R1S wrote:

More lies. How come you are so dishonest?


Just because you can't read, doesn't make me a liar.  Are you going to participate in the forum or continue to be an asshole?

You won't mind quoting where someone told SG he is human thrash. You haven't a very good history of backing up what you say.


That was hyperbole, but you can refer to the post where someone said "You supported Trump SG....you need to be held accountable." as a great example of that.  Now are you here to participate or act petulant because you really aren't that well informed and lack credible sources to support any of your underlying arguments.  Maybe you can link more tweets as a discussion.

#704 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 278 weeks ago

IRISH OS1R1S wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:

We saw what the forum was like for a week before ID posted, all of you in a chorus and calling SG human trash.

More lies. How come you are so dishonest?


Just because you can't read, doesn't make me a liar.  Are you going to participate in the forum or continue to be an asshole?

#705 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 278 weeks ago


Are you able to participate or is this what the forum is becoming.  We saw what the forum was like for a week before ID posted, all of you in a chorus and calling SG human trash. Not the brilliant discussion you thought it was.  You're free to leave too.  Or participate.  Your choice.

#706 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 278 weeks ago

mitchejw wrote:
misterID wrote:
TheMole wrote:

I cannot understand why it is so hard to see the difference between what happened last week, and this summer's blm protests. I get that people are eager to point out the similarities: yes, individuals in both groups broke laws, acted violently and misbehaved; yes, the majority of people in both groups had no bad intentions and just wanted to exercise their right to protest what they perceive as injustice.

The difference is simple though: the leftists' concerns are rooted in real world issues of racism, discrimination and social injustice created by a society that has had a difficult past when it comes to race relationships. Sure, the way that these concerns are expressed aren't always ideal, but the underlying reasons are and have historically always been valid.

The right's concerns are based on conspiracy theories and lies spread and supported - if not created - by Trump and a significant portion of the GOP leadership. There is no real underlying issue here, it's all fabricated. They created a narrative, specifically to rile up his base and bring out the vote. Having created that context for electoral gains and still giving the speeches he has been giving in the run-up to January 6th is THAT is why Trump needs to be held accountable.

This is wrong, the leftists, not the protestors, rioted based on far left political ideology; abolish the police, abolish jails, end capitalism. These were the people who rioted and would burrow themselves into the real socially conscious protestors. If you want to see some real conspiracy theorists, look their way also.

Again, everyone involved, from Trump to the protestor should be held accountable for their actions. Romanticism of the far left, or any side, and not being honest about it is what helps create these incidents.

I think your wrong. Violence created by intentional lies to achieve the goal or threatening congress and our entire political system is not the same to me as what happened all summer. It's not. Never will be and you'll never convince me otherwise.

Your argument gets you no where anyway...it's a non-starter to any type of solution. Therefore, it is implied that you just expect more of this to occur.

So let's agree on that. Let's expect it to occur together. I'll cheer when it happens to a Republican and you cheer when it happens to a Democrat. It'll be an eye for an eye all the way down the line.

That's the problem, Mitch, and you refuse to see it.  We're not cheering any of it on.  We condemned the violence this summer and condemn the violence now. You're cheering it on when it happens to people you think are your enemies.  I don't want any violence. And for someone who is hesitant to own a gun because he doesn't know if he could kill someone raping his wife, are you sure you really want to celebrate the violence?

#707 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 278 weeks ago

buzzsaw wrote:
TheMole wrote:

I cannot understand why it is so hard to see the difference between what happened last week, and this summer's blm protests. I get that people are eager to point out the similarities: yes, individuals in both groups broke laws, acted violently and misbehaved; yes, the majority of people in both groups had no bad intentions and just wanted to exercise their right to protest what they perceive as injustice.

The difference is simple though: the leftists' concerns are rooted in real world issues of racism, discrimination and social injustice created by a society that has had a difficult past when it comes to race relationships. Sure, the way that these concerns are expressed aren't always ideal, but the underlying reasons are and have historically always been valid.

The right's concerns are based on conspiracy theories and lies spread and supported - if not created - by Trump and a significant portion of the GOP leadership. There is no real underlying issue here, it's all fabricated. They created a narrative, specifically to rile up his base and bring out the vote. Having created that context for electoral gains and still giving the speeches he has been giving in the run-up to January 6th is THAT is why Trump needs to be held accountable.

You have it half right.  The ugly truth is that both sides lean heavily on fabrications.  When given a chance to deep dive on that subject here in another thread where they couldn't just call people names to deflect, surprisingly none of the left leaning folks were interested in a discussion about it.  Its fascinating how when you control the media, you control the narrative.   Lefties tried to get Trump at the white house, but that was ok.  This is the mentality.

This.

The riots this summer weren't over police brutality.  If you believe that, you didn't pay any attention to what the folks on the ground and their anointed leaders said.  The riots weren't limited to George Floyd, but any other black male the media created a false narrative was improperly brutalized - point and case Jacob Blake.  "Fact Checkers" are refusing to apologize for their lies, saying their "fact Checks" were based on the information at the time.  Don't believe me, look here:  https://www.yahoo.com/news/fact-check-j … 35607.html

When pressed for specifics, they always vanish or toss out an insult and still lack the information to support their point.

The George Floyd officers were arrested and charged with murder within days, so tell me what the protesters were marching for after that? Record number of homicides this year, with over 50% being black males being killed by other black males.  And out national attention was diverted to the myth that black people are disproportionately killed by police.  Can anyone substantiate that claim, or do you acknowledge you don't have anything other than conjecture and perception driving you?

Trump did more for criminal justice reform than any modern President, but that is somehow left from the argument. 

No one is supporting bad cops or asking that cops be allowed to brutalize people.  But a lot of people think rioters and protesters in justified in their brutality and violence.  When you open that flood gate, you no longer control it.  The military and police certainly aren't going to align themselves with the people calling them evil.  Biden himself said this nonsense is what caused the DNC from having the landslide all the experts predicted, but why stay in reality when you can fabricate positions that don't require you to justify your stance.

Rioters attempted to and failed to take over the White House.  This is ok, because Trump is a bad man and the media and Democratic leaders encouraged and justified it.  Rioters entered the Capitol and did what exactly?  No one here gave two fucks about murders and injuries to police in left wing violence all summer.  How many cops were ambushed by people mobilized by BLM and Antifa?  It's clear they don't give a fuck about the woman who was killed, but just go back 6 months to find outrage that rubber bullets were used to disperse people trying to kill the President. 

None of them can explain why this is different, and how it's not connected to the violence tolerated and encouraged by the media and Democratic leadership.  I linked the videos of their own words and it was skipped just like ID's post on censorship was skipped.  Just as they avoided your race relations thread.  They lack the information to defend their views, and think having people pat them on the back on the internet counts for something. 

Political violence is wrong.  If you don't understand how months of civil unrest resulted in more civil unrest using the exact same tactics the other side used, you're not making an attempt to understand.  Capitol rioters are domestic terrorists, but the people setting fires and trying to breach the White House are peaceful protesters.  This is some real 1984 shit.

#708 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 278 weeks ago

I’m not a victim and neither are you. You’re just being an asshole. You’ve decided to post about me as a poster and chose not to engage with any of my posts in weeks. Then when I respond to your post about your shock at an elected official being verbally accosted, as normalized and encouraged by that same member’s party, furthing my posting history that this most recent event is not separate from all the other events that occurred in my country in 2020, you chose a combative and dishonest tone with the sole intent of getting me to respond like Buzz. Because you chose to also engage with Buzz’s worst behavior, and it didn’t look good if I didn’t join in on the profanity and insults.

That’s what happened dude. Go back and tell me where I’m wrong. You just told me to fuck off, and haven’t responded to anything I’ve said. Your sole purpose is to create conflict.

I’m not interested in doing that in case you’ve ignored the whole reason you started to participate in this thread.

You can have the last word. Unless you actually want to talk about anything I’ve said on topic.

#709 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 278 weeks ago

Yes you will.  You've just spent hours responding to me on the internet and intentionally crafting your posts to get a rise from me.   You care.  I just don't really care what an Irishman thinks of American politics.  It's amusing on some level that you choose to spend your free time insulting a stranger discussing the internal politics of a country you're not part of.  I certainly couldn't give two figs what is going on in Ireland, let alone spending my time discussing it on a message board.  You obviously have an interest in me and my country.  I certainly have an interest in utilizing you to demonstrate I can keep my cool and point out the logical fallacies and lack of awareness present in someone critiquing my own.  I certainly value the opinion of someone awake after midnight on a weekday trying to pretend to be my superior arguing about the politics of a country he's not part of.  That person must have a very important job and the means to explore the world and purchase the luxuries unique to all of its areas.  That's the kind of person whose opinion I value.

That's how you talk down to someone.  By using something that is true about them, not creating arguments you burp at.

#710 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 278 weeks ago

IRISH OS1R1S wrote:

I missed a lot, it all became quite boring and not relevant.

guess you missed the part where I said I was irrational and embarrassed by that

I would suggest you never learned from it.

You still making cocky predictions based on crowds turning up to election events?

..... that worked out well.

Ah but you'd have your pride back when you took control of the senate.

..... that worked out well too.

Anywho have you calmed down now or you still leaving brah?


Knock it off dude.  Yea, I was wrong on how the election turned out.  It wasn't the 12 points you must have thought it would be, but you got me!  I couldn't predict Trump would sabotage his own party in Georgia by trashing the fucking bill his Treasury secretary negotiated.  Man, you really got me there.

I talked to a moderator and they're handling my concerns.  That's all I have to say on the matter.  Though if you don't knock this shit off, my desire to contribute here will be less so.  Again, knock it off.  If you want to measure dicks, mine's bigger.

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