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#701 Re: Guns N' Roses » Alan Niven interview 01-08- 2016 » 565 weeks ago
Axlin16 wrote:"Been Away Too Long" basically.
Talk about THE perfect comeback single for a GNR reunion....
we may never know the ACTUAL truth about it
This is how I always felt about those issues. Too many differing perspectives and that's why I don't fault Niven for giving his take of the mess.
Can you imagine a GNR movie trying to tackle those moments? Which version of the truth do you go with?
Speaking of the mighty Van Halen, Guns have the potential to pull A Different Kind of Truth out of them if it gets confirmed that Izzy is in the studio working on songwriting and demos with some of them before the tour. Especially if they use any material from '95, '96, and Down by the Ocean. ADKoT, most of it, is demos that Van Halen had already cut before the first album; but never released them; so Dave updated the lyrics and vocal styles, Wolfgang got everybody's shit together, and bam...there's the album. It's quite possible if Axl did save those three songs or more then we could get something genuine and a full band collaboration. Moving towards the future; but reflecting the sound of the past.
Us fanboys always pipe dreamed over GNR tackling that mid 90s stuff that was buried. Would be crazy if it actually came to fruition.
Look at Soundgarden and "Black Rain". Just a lost B-side sitting there from the Badmotorfinger days.
Goddamn... could you imagine if GN'R came back with like a 7-8 minute "Black Rain" meets "Locomotive" track that was left on the cutting room floor in 1991 as their first single?
Fuck... i'm half-hard just thinking about it.
#702 Re: Guns N' Roses » Looks like rehearsals have started! » 565 weeks ago
Yeah that worked wonders. Same with Frank. Imagine if the album hadn't come out in 2008 but in the Ashba era with another layer of noise even higher in the mix than Ron/Frank.
Once he had someone like Azoff in position to get it released he should've went back and stripped it to its 2001 level, which Axl considered finished at the time. Ron/Frank additions were not crucial to the tracks and weren't deal breakers. I've said this since the album came out....it boggles the mind that anyone involved(from Axl to the label) could listen to that final mix and say "Yep. Its done. Wrap it in cellophane".
All parties involved just wanted rid of the damn thing. Nothing more, nothing less. No one, not even an intern could even bother double checking the damn liner notes for crying out loud so I doubt the music itself was much of a priority either.
Like Axlin I hope we get some sort of a box set in the future so we can hear how the album was really supposed to sound before the label sent it down the express elevator to hell.
See and that's another issue with remix/re-arrangment #4,356,287 of Chinese by the time it got released in 2008. I actually thought the Frank additions were necessary and helped certain songs like Chinese that needed a bit more punch and rhythm (ala Steven, and less Matt/Brain). But the Ron stuff was just unnecessary and other than Ron's added rhythm parts, I didn't see any place he added value on Chinese for anything other than Axl trying to make the 2008 album more like what would became the 2009-14 band. Had it been delayed one more year, it wouldn't have shocked me at all if DJ would've replaced all of Robin's parts.
I agree though that Frank's additions was not a deal breaker. I'd love to hear what the Josh Freese-version is like. Something tells me it's closer to Frank's version, and less Brain, which would add even more of a headache as to why Josh was ever ran off or let go for a Brain. And that's not to slight Brain, but I just think Brain is a technical/progressive drummer, and Frank is more the feel guy like GN'R needs.
Ahh...the good old napster/limewire days. Back when you could download Every Rose Has Its Thorn from GNR.
I lol'ed at this. You're one of dem old timers ain't 'cha? Hahaha, anybody who was there totally remembers Every Rose being a GN'R song.
If this hybrid lineup is going to use a couple CD era songs for singles, GH, or whatever I hope the songs have layers removed instead of just adding Slash and Duff on top of everything already on there.
I personally feel if ANYTHING is used from the vault for Slash & Duff, they should just be 'Axl' songs. Stuff like the next Street of Dreams, TWAT, Catcher, Maddy & This I Love. Stuff that all sounded like lost cuts from UYI and pretty much traditional Axl ballads, I think Slash & Duff would own in an old skool GN'R-way. But ANYTHING Robin or Bucket recorded should be left alone and dropped in a box set later. Slash on This I Love or TWAT or SOD would rule. Hearing Slash's version of Better or Scraped or Shackler's? No thanks, just leave it alone.
Slash, unlike Axl, actually knows how to write a completely new song, quick, and not rely on 20-year old studio outtakes that Axl still can't make an album out of.
#703 Re: Guns N' Roses » Looks like rehearsals have started! » 565 weeks ago
Citr - a shit tune then, still a shit tune now. One of the many CD songs not worthy of GnR. Masterpiece my bum.
It's okay dude. Alot of very happy, productive people live their life deaf like you.
#704 Re: Guns N' Roses » MATT SORUM Refuses To Comment On GUNS N' ROSES Reunion Lineup » 565 weeks ago
Here's to hoping he's not. Sorry, just never felt he was a good fit in the band.
I never for the Sorum thing either. I loved Matt's drumming in The Cult, and do feel he provides a certain nostalgia to the way the songs were performed live during the UYI period, but I was always stunned VR recruited him, unless the goal always was "Guns N' Roses with a different lead singer ('cause Izzy was originally supposed to be there instead of Kush)" just to dig at Axl.
I still stand by the statement that Frank "Thunderchucker" Ferrer is the best drummer GN'R has ever had.
#705 Re: Guns N' Roses » Salon Reunion article » 565 weeks ago
polluxlm wrote:Axlin16 wrote:The only issue I have is if you're going to go through the trouble of bringing in a completely new band member like Kushner.... why not just call Gilby Clarke in that situation? I thought Gilby & Slash were boys? Why would Slash/Duff push for Kushner, when Gilby would be the obvious choice, especially being they performed with Gilby at the RNRHOF induction in 2012?
Plus, if you're going to go that far with Kushner/Clarke... why call Steven? Why not just call Matt Sorum? Just focus your efforts on a UYI reunion, which is what it already pretty much is, if Izzy/Steven aren't fully involved.
Gilby was fired by Axl, he might not be first on the list of people coming back. Dave is then the most familiar guy for the spot. If Sorum isn't part of this either (also fired by Axl) that may be the reason.
That would be my guess as well. Axl wasn't thrilled with Gilby's writing the first time around, so he might not want to include him if that's part of the plan. At least that would be my hope. If it was all about nostalgia then I can't think of a reason for Gilby to not be involved. Last I knew, he and Axl were on decent terms. Steven and Matt could be a different story.
This is pretty much what I was getting at. We have no clue if Axl plans on future recording and actually continuing THIS Guns on past just a live reunion existence. We don't know.
If Axl's gonna push this new revamped lineup as a new GN'R rebirth, then yes, Gilby doesn't make alot of sense. But like you said if this is total nostalgia (no different than the last few tours by GN'R), then there's no reason for Gilby not to fill-in for Izzy and Steven/Matt to be sharing drumming duties, and showing Frank the door.
Kush makes sense for the same reasons that Frank and Fortus do. In a three guitar line-up, if Axl does not want Gilby, for whatever reason, then Kush becomes the obvious choice. Just because Slash is friendly with Gilby, doesn't mean he wants to play with him in Guns. It's not a slumber party where people are invited because they're friends. Plus, if they're looking for GNR to have a future, Kush is the better option.
Also, Gilby and Fortus have too much of the same look. It's better to have just one Izzy lookalike in the band.
faldor wrote:If it was all about nostalgia then I can't think of a reason for Gilby to not be involved. Last I knew, he and Axl were on decent terms. Steven and Matt could be a different story.
Axl may not want to revisit the UYI line-up, because he felt they ganged-up on him. Though Kush is from VR, he may be considered more neutral, because he wasn't involved in those issues.
Your logic makes no sense. Axl doesn't want Gilby back because he feels the UYI lineup ganged up on him, but he wants 3/5 of VR, possibly 4/5 (if Matt is there), and that's safer than a UYI reunion? Huh?
How does Dave Kushner make sense for the future of Guns? Nobody outside of VR fanboys know who the fuck Dave Kushner even is. Gilby Clarke on the other hand is practically "the 5th Beatle" from his tenure in GN'R, and is know all over the world. So much in fact, if you were to do a poll, I assure you more people would EASILY identify Gilby Clarke before they would Richard Fortus, Dave Kushner, Frank Ferrer, and/or Chris Pitman.
Oh and ummm.... Fortus looks NOTHING like Izzy either. And Gilby looks nothing like the two of them.
The only way your theory works is if Axl (who has openly spoke of his disdain of the UYI period), simply doesn't want Gilby or Matt there because he just does not want to relive or tribute the UYI period. Not because the music was bad, but Axl has publicly said he just feels everything went off the rails then and it was not a very happy time in his life. Couple that with the fact of having a band that more logically should be playing Locomotive live instead of Think About You (if Gilby/Matt are there), Axl just might not want to go there again.
To me... IF... Kush is there, it'll be out of request from Slash & Duff as a 'middle ground' agreement between them and Axl to keep Axl's three guitarists gimmick and promote Richard to Lead Guitar 2, which was supposed to be Richard's job from day one. Buckethead knocked Richard to rhythm guitar where he stayed.
The Coachella line up is not in stone yet I don't think. I think it will be a big alumni party. I think you the "touring band" (Slash, Duff, Axl, Frank, Richard, Dizzy, Chris) with guests from (Sorum, Adler, Izzy). If they do the third player we may get the Dave idea (lame kind of) or even Gilby possibly. I believe we get a small AFD 5 reunion at Coachella. Maybe 5 songs.
You know, you make a really great point. Depending on how much Axl wants to push this version of GN'R depends on how much old vs. new you will get at Coachella. It's also very tricky. If Axl has ANY intention of releasing new music with this Slash-rebuilt version of GN'R, he's probably going to want to limit how much of the original guys he pushes in the band.
However if this is a nostalgia show, he probably could let the original 5 perform half of the concert. The problem becomes if the audience DEMANDS the original 5, and they are there, what will Axl/Slash/Duff potentially make money-wise to cut Izzy & Steven in a full reunion. Something tells me they'll get their $3mil booking fee with the original 5 on the 25-date tour. Without the original guys... I still struggle to believe they're gonna get $3mil in 2016, simply because Axl & Slash are there.
#706 Re: Guns N' Roses » Howard Stern talks GNR Coachella reunion » 565 weeks ago
Don't forget they're also bound by a period of exclusivity w/Coachella (tho maybe that's limited to a regional thing?).
But even still, once that passes I think what you'll get is one of those typical press releases on Nightrain or the website, rather than a promo blitz where they're filling in the gaps in the story for those of us interested in such things.It's just the impression I get off it. The vibe I feel is that Axl expects at this stage for promo to be handled by the promoters/label rather than the artist, y'know?
& just to echo what I said earlier, I think they way they've built it so far has been well done - without having actually done very much!
The excitement & fun has been building nicely instead of one small cumshot on a 3rd rate week night chat show, y'know??
Axl also probably feels OWED promo. Especially after the disaster of CD and UMG.
The biggest game changer and the reason numerous parties from AEG to UMG will be willing to go out of their way to promote this, without Axl having to lift a finger is that having Slash & Duff back in the fold, allows said parties to promote the Guns N' Roses brand now from a standpoint of a "reunion". No longer are they tied to promoting Chinese-Guns, and can now return to promoting the classic band, no different than when Metallica was recently promoting their concert movie a couple years ago.
It's a totally different beast now, because there could be REAL MONEY MADE on a GN'R reunion. People like UMG & AEG knew there was no real money to be made from the Chinese Democracy/New Guns-era and that the longer Axl drug it all on the less and less overall profit they would see from a reunion, and frankly new Guns since 2001 had been doing nothing but DE-valuing the GN'R brand, and all the business profiteers knew it. Thus the reason Azoff tried to pull a JR and blackmail/strong arm Axl into a reunion then. He knew what that real payday was, and if Axl balked, he had no problem sitting on his ass and waiting Axl out. In some ways... it kinda worked. Axl obviously changed his mind.
I certaintly think GN'R will be reverting back to 1993 and picking up where they left off once this starts moving. Axl will be nowhere to be seen and be the phantom he was even then, Slash & Duff will become the brand and occasionally Dizzy. Don't be shocked once this gets off if the 'ol bullet logo of GN'R starts popping up every fucking where like "Metallica" or "Nirvana", either. Other hands are gonna be in that cookie jar 'o monay.
#707 Re: The Sunset Strip » Ash vs. Evil Dead » 565 weeks ago
Umm, not to disappoint, but when I said "Remake", I was strictly referring to Evil Dead II: Dead By Dawn, not the actual remake/reboot (I haven't seen it, didn't interest me in the teasers). I only said 'remake', because if you re-watch Evil Dead II, it's basically a scene-for-scene remake of the 1981 original, except for the chainsaw & boomstick and jokes. Evil Dead II in alot of ways is similar to The Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2. Raimi with Evil Dead II, no different than Tobe Hooper with TCM2, basically said "hey let's take my dark, sick original, and do it as a black comedy" and the sequels to both of those films resulted. TCM2 followed an all-new story that follows up with the events 10 years later, but ED2 basically just remade the first, but tweaked.
And don't get me wrong, I like Army of Darkness. I thought it was a neat departure. I just don't feel AOD is better than Evil Dead II. It could've been the definitive film if somethings had been done differently, but regardless AOD is a cult masterpiece in its awesomeness. I am old enough to still remember kids catching that flick at the local video store and quoting the movie on the PE playground... cool times.
#708 Re: The Sunset Strip » David Bowie dead age 69 » 565 weeks ago
Say hey to Freddie for me David...
RIP to a true icon
#709 Re: The Sunset Strip » Scott Weiland Is Dead. » 565 weeks ago
Interesting comparison, however I think slightly different in that imho Scott achieved the status he so sought (deservedly or not), in that he became a 90s alt rock/grunge (near) icon. A the fame & success pretty much stayed, so he knew what his legacy was.
Jani Lane was a bit more unfortunate. The VH1 interviews & Behind The Musics (wish that was on Netflix, are they?), he always bemoaned being "The Cherry Pie Guy", a cheesy hit song he could never escape the connotations of. Sad, some of their other hits were a bit more lasting (Heaven, I Saw Red) & that album, which I think the label named Cherry Pie, was a bit more acoustic rock. I think the story is they handed in a Tesla styled rock album, and the label said "There's no hits on it", and told them to go back and record a hit song.. They came back with Cherry Pie & Love in Stereo and the rest, as they say, is history. I think a similar thing happened with Def Leppards 'Pour Some Sugar On Me'.
As a side note, was there ever a rumor that Warrants 'I Saw Red' was a reference to Axl? (Sleeping with a girl he was seeing) I listened to that song a while back & it almost seemed to tell the story?!
If I remember correctly, the record was "Uncle Tom's Cabin". The lead single was supposed to be the title track, "Uncle Tom's Cabin". Warrant turns it in, and the label refuses to release it saying "there's no hit singles on this, I need a hit single". Warrant respondes, "like what?", the label says, "I need something like Love In An Elevator" (which had just been released by Aerosmith and was a HUGE smash hit across all music, not just rock).
Jani, pissed off, gets drunk and writes "Cherry Pie". They record it, throw it on the album, suddenly the album is released and it's been re-titled "Cherry Pie" (not Uncle Tom's Cabin), the entire promo push is on "Cherry Pie", and Jani's horrible joke in his mind that was his revenge on the record company becomes his defining legacy.
"I could shoot myself in the fucking head for writing that song!" -- Jani Lane (and he didn't say it as a joke. He went from laughs, to DEADLY SERIOUS when he said it -- he fucking meant it)
And people wonder why he drank himself to death. Jani was one of the most underrated writers of that era of rock and his legacy was a fucking B-side from the Everly Brothers. Poor guy.
#710 Re: The Sunset Strip » Ash vs. Evil Dead » 565 weeks ago
Haven't finished the season yet, but all I can say Apex is that if you LOVE the 1981 original.... you're probably gonna hate the series. Despite the fact that the series makes it clear it's a direct-sequel to the first film, Campbell/Raimi again take the horror/comedy route ala Evil Dead II/AOD, with Campbell cracking more one-lines than late-era Freddy.
With that said though, Campbell makes sure that the show never takes Ash too seriously. Many times they make a point to point out how old he is, and how ridiculous all of this is, but when the Deadites come around Ash gets serious. The series imo provides a nice balance between the original and the sequels imo.
I agree with Me Wise that Season 2 should shift to an hour-long format (which it should've been to begin with). Episodes end too quickly and rarely have time to flesh out plot, characters, and situations imo. It could use tweaking as said above.
I personally always felt the 1981 original, although ambitious, was a film that needed work and was largely overrated by horror aficionados. I think the 1987 sequel/remake is superior in every single way. AOD was a lost opportunity imo, I agree, but I think Evil Dead II is the definitive representation of the series, and more than likely the real source material for the TV series.
It's still great to have Ash back.
