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#761 Re: The Garden » Solar Eclipse 2017 » 481 weeks ago

It rained today...in Vegas. Also we were only partial anyway.

#762 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 481 weeks ago

bigbri wrote:

Haha, hell that was long, but I got it off my chest all at once.


These are very serious issues, but I wouldn't feel hopeless about it. Perhaps it's my lifestyle, but I talk to all kinds of people all the time when I'm out and about, and the majority are very happy/friendly. I don't see this conflict.

The problem with our 24/7 news channels (which suck), and social media is that for some things they blow them up to be much larger than they really are. They also create division. We are a divided country especially online and according to cable "news" , but my experience in real life doesn't play out that way.

Our government is broken. I think that's a reality. But I also believe that ties in with social media and our 24/7 news culture. They are the primary driver for this mess.

Personally my main concerns are our dysfunctional government and/or war. After that I have the same concerns we've probably had for decades now: Healthcare, help for the poor, homelessness etc.

The internet has allowed fringe (name your subject) to move to the front row these days. More people than ever are exposed to what used to be considered radical 10-20 years ago. They're also able to calcify these new ideas inside their bubble, which feeds them confirmation bias all day long. Some really ugly things have been reborn because of this. But I still don't think it's that dire. I don't feel it's that much of a threat to our society. Most people want to work, provide for their family, and be healthy IMO.

#763 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 481 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:

You claimed white nationalists were more of a threat than Jihadis. They're objectively not. Anything else you say is a diversion from your ignorance of the facts.

No, I claimed that law enforcement officials across the country saw them as more of a threat than Islamic nuts.

#764 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 481 weeks ago

mitchejw wrote:

This is one of your longest tantrums to date...all so that you could try to make the point that white people arent as dangerous as Islam.

You just need believe that white people are the righteous ones.

He's so predictable.  Every time he demands evidence, when it's produced he writes up a 700 word tirade to try and take you off subject. That's his MO.

Various studies put up that say right wing domestic terror is more of a threat in America, and that Federal law enforcement are more concerned about right wing terrorists than Islamic. He dismisses everything, then demands answers to questions nobody is asking.

I guess I'll email everybody who put together those studies and tell them how stupid they are, since Flagg knows everything, even more than them. He also dismissed an "op-ed" which is based on these same studies.

#765 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 481 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:
slcpunk wrote:

And it's been pointed out several times before, but law enforcement officials across this country are more concerned with right wing terror organizations than Islamic, by 2:1. They don't mention left wing outfits as a concern at this time. 

But let's not let facts get in the way of right wing talking points.

Yes antifa does things I do not agree with and while BLM has legit grievances,  I do not agree with their tactics either.


This isn't true.  .

Actually I was wrong, it's 3:1.


“Since September 12, 2001,the number of fatalities caused by domestic violent extremists has ranged from 1 to 49 in a given year. … Fatalities resulting from attacks by far-right wing violent extremists have exceeded those caused by radical Islamist violent extremists in 10 of the 15 years, and were the same in 3 of the years since September 12, 2001.”

“Of the 85 violent extremist incidents that resulted in death since September 12, 2001, far-right wing violent extremist groups were responsible for 62 (73 percent) while radical Islamist violent extremists were responsible for 23 (27 percent).”

Report: http://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf

Right wing extremist are a bigger threat to America than ISIS

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/02/12/righ … 22743.html

Deadly threat from far-right extremists is overshadowed by fear of Islamic terrorism

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/ana … terrorism/

Data: http://start.umd.edu/publications?combi … 5Byear%5D=

“Local law enforcement agencies see the threat of terrorism inspired by al-Qaida and like-minded terrorist organizations as less of a threat than other forms of violent extremism, principally anti-government extremism.”

"The survey of 382 law enforcement agencies, conducted with the Police Executive Research Forum with funding from the National Institute of Justice, found that 74 percent reported anti-government extremism as one of the top terrorist threats in their jurisdictions, while 39 percent listed extremism connected with al-Qaida or like-minded terrorist organizations."

Study: https://sites.duke.edu/tcths/files/2013 … _final.pdf

#766 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 481 weeks ago

faldor wrote:

This scary mean old "Nazi" woman certainly deserved to be dragged to the ground for holding her American flag. How dare she support free speech in America with such an egregious act. Way to put her in her place and make the world a better place tonight. Keep protesting!

https://mobile.twitter.com/FoxNews/stat … 7453400065

I don't think anybody would claim she was a Nazi, or what they did with her flag was acceptable.

These are Neo Nazis...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIpE1B7BTvk

This, is a Nazi...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7FPmojhEeE

Fuck these guys.

#767 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 481 weeks ago

And it's been pointed out several times before, but law enforcement officials across this country are more concerned with right wing terror organizations than Islamic, by 2:1. They don't mention left wing outfits as a concern at this time. 

But let's not let facts get in the way of right wing talking points.

Yes antifa does things I do not agree with and while BLM has legit grievances,  I do not agree with their tactics either.

#768 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 481 weeks ago

buzzsaw wrote:

There are no Nazis anymore.  You seem to like to use that term freely because you know what is attached to it.  Are people carrying a rebel flag Confederates?  Just curious if your consistent with your mis-identification of people or not...

Talk about disingenuous.

They chant Nazi slogans, salute like Nazis, praise Hitler, hate Jews, dress like Nazis and call themselves Nazis...

These types of talking points are being perpetrated by the gutter of the American right.

Conservative representatives across this country have come out to condemn this group of white nationalists. They wouldn't for a moment get bogged down in the false equivalency with antifa. Not for a second. In fact they chided Trump for doing it. Nor would they question if they were "really" Nazis or "really" confederates.

The problem with you guys is that you've had Fox News drilled into your heads for 15+ years and this is the only way you're capable of thinking. It is no coincidence that they're saying the same thing.

#769 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 481 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

I hope we're not going to try and justify this group.

I don't know who is justifying them. I don't condone attacking police.

I've seen reports on youtube and Twitter. Haven't looked on news sites.

The protest was a flop. About 100-200 white nationalist losers and an estimated 20,000 counter protesters. Boston also doesn't allow "men" to walk around in camos, and carry guns through their city either.

The one thing about these racists pussies is that they love to play the oppressed card.

https://twitter.com/Rambobiggs/status/898938167646203904

#770 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 481 weeks ago

Figured this was coming...

Edit:

It sure seems as if Trump is burning his allies. He's lashing out at a lot of GOP Congressmen, they are also speaking out about him. His inner circle seems to be tightening down. The business community is walking away from him. James Murdoch just donated a million dollars to the anti defamation league after denouncing Trump's reaction to the Nazi rally. With Bannon gone, the Breitbart crowd may not be far behind.

I don't see how he pulls out of this, it appears to be a downward trajectory.

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