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#841 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 761 weeks ago
I'm not taking credit away from anyone, or diminishing what they did. And I definitely didn't downplay Slash's importance.
They all had a hand in creating the music. I think that's the point, that we don't want to diminish anyone's input. Especially someone like Izzy.
The songs wouldn't be what they were without Slash. It doesn't matter if Izzy laid the foundations for the songs before Slash arrived, because no one could have brought what Slash did. We were just pointing out Slash wouldn't have those great moments without Izzy conceiving them, or Axl for that matter. You could say Izzy was as important to SCOM as Slash was, because he actually fleshed it out, according to Slash. But Slash conceived that song with the intro, whether he liked it or not.
Paradise City started out as a joke, according to Slash, like SCOM, where he played it in the back of a van and sang somthing like, "Take me down to the paradise city where the girl's are fat but they got big titties." But Axl took it seriously, and jumped on it. It was something like that. According to Slash Axl had already written Welcome To the Jungle. And Slash jammed it out later. It was actually some music Slash wrote seperately from the song that Axl liked and pointed out. And Slash is totally responsible for the music.
It's just not the fact, not saying you're saying this outright because I'm not going to put words in peoples mouth, but Slash wasn't sitting around jamming out all the riffs and stuff and having the others write around it. It's just not the case. A lot of the music was written before he got there, but he definitely elevated it. But I do remember them saying during the AFD sessions that Axl would write lyrics first and they would try to write music around it, and Axl didn't like that.
And I agree about Duff, very underrated.
I agree, except I think it'd be more precise to say that some of the music was written before Slash got there, but all the great songs (WTTJ, Easy, Nightrain, Brownstone, PC, SCOM, RQ) were created after he entered. (He also co-wrote Out Ta Get Me and Crazy as far as I know, so the pre-Slash creative process isn't more than Anything Goes and (parts of) My Michelle and Think About You.)
The UYIs had more pre-Slash stuff than AFD, for sure.
#842 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 761 weeks ago
I thought you were ignoring me?.
Yes, I do. But I saw MSL's comment and suspected another serious downplay of Slash's importance. That's something I cannot tolerate. Sorry.
Steven also got writing credits, doesn't mean much, they all shared credits back then. .
I'm talking about the UYI-style AFD-writing credits they constructed later.
Slash definitely brought in the music for RQ from Road Crew, and had a big hand in creating PC and SCOM, but you have to admit, were fleshed out by Izzy, especially the latter, which Slash never liked, at least back then.
So here we are - WTTJ, SCOM, PC, RQ - the gems of the album. Not to mention that the first 3 made them Guns N' Roses, those made them stars. The rest was very strong though (most of which was written by Slash, at least partly). Without Slash's input it wouldn't have been one of the best albums of all time. In fact, it'd have been in the league of Skid Row I or below.
I've never questioned the importance of the others and have never downplayed their role. Izzy wrote a shitload of stuff, some of it GN'R worthy, some of it not. He wrote a lot of fillers, but also some stuff that became a good starting point. But noone can argue that Izzy's D,C,G,D chord progression in SCOM is anything, but original or inspired. No wonder Slash made fun of it - but since he's a genius it turned out to be one of the greatest riffs and songs of rock music. His stuff made SCOM SCOM. He needed the others though, cause Slash cannot always realize the potential.
And Axl already wrote the lyrics to Welcome To The Jungle, the music came later.
I'm not sure about it, but...So what? In most cases music came first in GN'R, and lyrics later. Does it mean Axl's input is inferior? Hell no.
It does seem strange that for a while now you've been going on about the "myth" of Izzy and acting like he wasn't important, or perhaps trying to downplay his importance to build up....... Slash. I'm just saying Izzy helped bring the best out of Slash.
They all brought out the best of each other.
I feel a tendency to build up Izzy, in the expense of Slash's importance. I also feel it's not a sincere attempt, based on music study or facts or even personal prefernces, but a move to take Axl's side against Slash. Izzy's just a tool in this game.
On the other hand I think Duff is the most underrated member and songwriter of Guns N' Roses. He often didn't even get credited for significant efforts (well, it did happen with Slash, too).
I think anyone who's learned music, especially guitar, can make the GN'R music picture from the puzzles... Izzy was a chord based writer machine, a fan of simple Stones-type songs. But his stuff needed the others, otherwise even YCBM would sound like JuJu hounds. You can easily indentify the 60s Stones riff there, where it all started... Slash wrote a lot of stuff to begin with, but he's a very riff-based writer, and he also needed the others not to sound like Aerosmith or Jeff Beck. Slash made Izzy's simple songs more difficult and GN'Rish, while Izzy made Slash's stuff lighter and more acceptable to the public, or sometimes dirtier with those sleazy chords over Slash's riffage. The drummer made the rhythm - I prefer Steven's groove over Matt's much more skilled and intelligent playing. And Duff... I think he's very underrated. Just listen Loaded's last album or Believe in me...that's where the rhythm of GN'R's riffage coming from. I'm bloody sure he adviced Slash (or Izzy) little changes, that changed that riff completely. Axl was also very important as a music supervisior/producer, I think he (and possibly Duff) had great ideas about song structures, cause Slash and Izzy seems to prefer the generic intro/verse/verse/chorus/verse/chorus/bridge/solo/chorus/chorus version. Axl didn't write much music in GN'R, possibly nothing on AFD, that's where Duff's 'Axl only wrote My World' comment's coming, but he surely adviced them things.. I mean what kind of stuff could be here or there, and then the guys were thinking and working on it and voila... So they all had their part in GN'R, but as talented Izzy, Duff and Steven were, Axl and Slash were the aces. The crazy, emotive singer and the legendary solo guitarist.
#843 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 761 weeks ago
The songs needed to be conceived before they could be fleshed out and added to with contributions from the others. Traci Guns said Izzy basically had 80-90% of AFD already written before Slash came into the band.
Tracii might have said it, but it's pure nonsense. He even said that he wrote most of that album. He was also considering a lawsuit, cause Axl and Izzy stole 'his song' Don't Cry. Since it was the first GN'R song, he probably had his hand in it, but that's it.
All of them agrees that Slash wrote WTTJ, mainly PC and the identical parts of SCOM. Not to mention the other songs, just check the writing credits. Or go to a music teacher and you'll be able to separate who did what. Izzy might have had Think about you and Anything Goes, probably some form of My Michelle in his pocket, but those are the fillers (although I happen to love MM). It's just another sad attempt to downplay Slash's importance.
#844 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Matt Sorum, Slash May Play With Donovan At Hall Of Fame » 761 weeks ago
russtcb wrote:Said Sorum "I might play drums with Donovan. I offered my services to Donovan, because I will do anything to get my name in print or be in any kind of spot light"
yeah cause it's all about whoring himself out and not having a good time ever
Agree. He will have quite a lot spotlight on himself with the induction. This is only for fun (and a bit of a mock against those who don't wanna play).
#845 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 761 weeks ago
agreed, we all agree. we all have repeatedly.
as far as bromero, nobody should have to put up with your insults, regardless of age.
i'd stick up for you too if the roles were reversed.
Waiting for that to happen.
BTW (and it's really my last post on the subject) how should have I known that he's an infant? The hardcore Axlites are using the same logic. Alright, it was an automatism on my side, but I didn't expect anyone coming here who doesn't know that Axl hates Slash. I've seen plenty of people denying it, but they all knew it. On the other hand your nephew may need more research about the band before he posts.
#846 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 761 weeks ago
bromero is my nephew and is a child. i'll defend him when appropriate. he's also pretty smart.
I'm sorry, but is this a joke? He's too young for any debate and everyday forum life, yet he's posting here? I have no problem with the guy, but next time his mother will come to defend him? Or Beta?
Please. I now know what Duff felt a few years back.
I really welcome newcomers. I really welcome the new generation. But that Slash's 'Axl hates my guts' comment would be the biggest roadblock is plain nonsense. Next time the man who says the world is round makes the world round?
Here is why the HOF reunion will not happen:
1. Axl hates Slash.
2. Axl hates Slash.
3. Axl hates Slash.
4. Axl hates Slash.
5. Axl hates Slash.
6. The Lebeis wouldn't let it happen.
7. Axl thinks it'd damage his current band.
8. Izzy still cannot handle drama. (Yet he causes further drama.)
9. Steven's talking nonsense
10. They are all too chicken to pick up the phone and call Axl, yet they've been waiting for him to call them. Although Axl is in the position of power, so he should do this, he will never.
So it won't happen.
I've never expected it though.
#847 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 761 weeks ago
if i insulted you i am sorry. and, though i don't think i did and didn't intend to, you are wrong when u say i insulted you first. you insulted bromero first. IMO
and then me, now three times.
1+1=3? Sorry, I lost it. Don't take it as an insult.
Oh, I'm really sorry. Twice as much as you. Twice as sincere as you. 
Bromero is old enough to defend himself if he feels the need. He doesn't need guards. I'm really sorry if I made a harsh comment after the 743537787th 'Slash got it wrong' comment. No. Those got it wrong who are acting like primadonnas and trying to avoid the HOF ceremony.
#848 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 761 weeks ago
you know it, i know it, bromero knows it. yet you still can't come up with anything original and have to insult people even though they have acknowledged it.
Know what? That it won't happen? Yes, I do. That Slash fucked it up? Only in your dreamland. I'm really sorry that you are so original, that even reality left you.
BTW _you_ insulted me first, so don't be so touchy.
#849 Re: The Sunset Strip » Skid Row REUNION! (April Fools Joke) » 761 weeks ago
Mikkamakka wrote:smoke wrote:April Fools kind of loses its punch two days too late. Seriously though, Skid Row with Baz is less likely than a GNR reunion.
I think it's more likely, cause they have less money. And Baz's opinion changes with the wind. The bigger problem is the world doesn't really care about them anymore. I was a fan and I'm still a fan, I'd go to see them, but don't feel any excitement.
I've never heard Baz say anything positive about them, but I admit it's not something I follow closely.
Have to agree, though, that I couldn't really get excited about it even if true. I like Baz's solo output anyways.
You are right that Baz has been consistent about the reunion not happening. He changed his opinion on everyting else though a numerous times.
#850 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 761 weeks ago
Mikkamakka wrote:Well, so Slash fucked it up. Finally, the truth arrived. Axlism at its best.
pull your head out of your ass. bromero worships slash. he's also right. he never said it was slash's fault. he never said it isn't hindering on axl. all he's saying, which i agree with, is that maybe slash should shut his mouth and stop talking for everyone. maybe axl would speak for himself and stop hating slash if this happened.
Behave, asshole.
He wrote the same Axlite nonsense that some of you are doing all the time. Wake up, it's not Slash's fault that they will not play. The ship has long gone. Slash only realized it.
