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#861 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 487 weeks ago
Donald Jr. has admitted to this meeting. Made the emails public. At first he lied about meeting Russians. Then lied about WHY he met them. Finally said he went there with the sole purpose of colluding with them and then ended the meeting once they couldn't produce the goods. That's collusion. He admitted it. This is not a conspiracy. This is not hysteria. There is no more proof to demand.
Now it's up to Mueller.
#862 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 487 weeks ago
(Remember when SLC claimed Flynn was going to "flip on Trump", then a few weeks later said he never said any of this nor that Trump was ever under investigation).
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What the hell are you talking about?
You misrepresent/lie about our positions, so much....that's the biggest issue here. Everybody takes issue with this.
#863 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 487 weeks ago
No, they didn't Can you link the article where W's ethics lawyers called it a crime?
"Boarders on Treason."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05cU89C7YB0
And Jill Wine-Banks...
'IT IS COLLUSION': Watergate special prosecutor draws the line after Trump Jr.'s email revelation
Former assistant Watergate special prosecutor Jill Wine-Banks drew a clear line on Donald Trump Jr.'s meeting with a Russian lawyer, after a bombshell New York Times report on Monday revealed that he was told in an email that the information he was receiving was part of a Russian strategy to assist then-candidate Donald Trump's presidential campaign.
"This is an astounding thing," said Wine-Banks on MSNBC. "It is collusion with a foreign adversary if they were working together to get the information from the Russian government."
The Times' report cited three officials familiar with the email that was sent by music publicist Rob Goldstone, who represented the son of a wealthy Azerbaijani-Russian developer and has ties to the Trump family. The Times' sources alleged Goldstone's email "indicates" that Russia was the source of the information, which was supposed to have been damaging to then-candidate Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign.
Wine-Banks also hinted that the latest revelation would be looked at by special counsel Robert Mueller, who was appointed by the Justice Department to oversee the investigation into allegations of Russian involvement during the 2016 US presidential election: "We have, for sure, more evidence for Mr. Mueller to look at and get the details of," said Banks.
"And that's what this looks like, it looks like clear proof of collusion," Wine-Banks said.
#864 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 487 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:This meeting occurred before the leaks. And nothing has been put out there that suggests Jr received anything or this woman had any connection to the hacks?
C'mon, it's called common sense. Secondly, give it a few more weeks, it'll come out. You keep yelling out "There's nothing there", then, when a couple weeks later some more news comes out about it, you say "Oh please, there's nothing else there". Then, a few more weeks later MORE news breaks, you say again "Oh please, there's nothing else there. Is that all you have?". Its a never ending cycle with you. I've said from the start it might take 1-2 years for all this to go down. It's not looking good right now, wouldn't surprise me if by New Years this whole things a huge mess.
This x 1000. ^^^
Why would anybody defend Trump to being with? It seems like such a losing proposition. Flagg hates liberals more than he likes Trump, so there is the issue. It's all he knows: argue with liberals. So even though he was against Trump, he must defend Trump, because...liberals. At some point though you must realize you're making an ass out of yourself. Right?
Right?
#865 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 487 weeks ago
I'm just shocked he released these emails. They do him no favors. I'll give him credit for transparency, but it doesn't alleviate him from what he's entering into. This is getting really bad.
It's nuts. But my only guess is they are trying to get out front on this.
Jr. has hired a criminal attorney now, and my guess is they would rather try and be open (haha, sure) about this, then have the NYT kill them with a 1000 cuts/a new article every three days.
#866 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 487 weeks ago
PaSnow wrote:I'm just shocked he released these emails. They do him no favors. I'll give him credit for transparency, but it doesn't alleviate him from what he's entering into. This is getting really bad.
What was illegal? What did he do that the Clinton campaign didn't do with Ukraine and the piss dossier SLC loves?
I'm genuinely asking. What law was broken?
The lead prosecutor from Watergate says it's a crime. Along with W's previous ethics lawyer. That's good enough for me. We'll have to see what the investigation concludes.
More "whataboutism." The two instances are nothing alike. Did you read that article? You're a one trick pony with this, sad!
And quit lying about the dossier, I've barely mentioned it...lyin' Randy.
#867 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 487 weeks ago
While right wing dolts flock to their echo chambers and get their ideas from safe spaces on youtube, real news is emerging once again.
NYT today: An email from the Kremlin to the Trump campaign, in particular Don Jr., letting them know that the Russian government wanted to assist Trump in winning the election. Not only that, but the Russian government was the source of the information (on Hilary.) Both Kushner and Manafort were at this meeting. The notion that Donald Trump wasn't aware of this meeting is ludicrous.
By the way, this isn't from "intel sources" this is confirmed by people working for Donald Trump.
#868 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 487 weeks ago
It doesn't matter if "Donald Trump" himself, or "Donald Trumps campaign staffers (and family)" are under investigation. It's the same fucking thing!
Correct. If his admin is under the microscope, then Trump is too, if indirectly.
File that under "duh."
#869 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 487 weeks ago
You're only aware of this because the government is turning over every stone. Why don't you wait for them to make an accusation before the people who've never set foot in the white house, pentagon, capitol building or supreme court conjure up theories on what could happen. You guys are as bad as the National Enquirer or whatever tabloid magazine runs a story on why Jennifer Aniston is or isn't pregnant this week.
The story was confirmed by Trump's own people, and of course Donny Jr.
W's ethics lawyer says this is tantamount to treason.
Anything else you'd like to add?
#870 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 487 weeks ago
Lyin' Randy just can't help himself. It was repeated to you then, and it has been repeated since, nobody was claiming Trump specifically was under investigation. Although his administration was.
This is all pathetic really. You split hairs and play word games so you can attack strawmen. When news comes to light, you ignore it, demand more "evidence" and continue to lie about the past.
How many times must the people you attack tell you that's not what they were claiming? I guess you wouldn't have anything without your lies. You might as well just argue with yourself, speaking for us on our behalf.
