Naltav wrote:

buzzsaw wrote:

I know.  How dare I use actual life experiences to make a point.  The nerve of some people...using real life to support a point of view on the internet.  I mean, 100 or so concerts is such a small sample size anyway...

You're not making ANY good arguments dude!

If you're around 25-30yrs old and a diehard musiclover, attending a 100 concerts in your lifetime is not something I would throw around to prove ANY point man! How many festivals would you have to attend to see 100 gigs? Not many at all! Even if it was a 100 GNR-concerts, it still wouldn't prove your silly argument! 

This actual-life-experience of yours fell flat to the ground man!

5-7 new songs is above average for ANY band, EVERYONE knows that!

LOL - okay.  I must have imagined my entire life then.  Thanks for clarifying.  I guess I should have done drugs or something if I was going to have imagined all of it anyway.  I mean, you're so right...using actual experience instead of what other people want to believe as proof of something is just silly.  EVERYBODY knows that too, right?

Does this mean my mom is still alive?  Did I imagine that too?

Naltav wrote:

buzzsaw wrote:

Personal experience says you're wrong.  I will continue to base my opinions on facts that I have personally experienced.  Thanks for your concern.

Out of curiousity... What personal experience do you have on the subject that contradict major bands/artists and their profesional managers touring the world and playing to millions of people and selling millions of albums?

Go searching the concerts attended thread and some other pointless thread about CD setlists.  All I can go by is what I have experienced personally.  Maybe I'm the lucky one when it comes to concerts I've attended, but my experiences have been bands playing most and in some cases all of their new material when touring to support that album.  Admittedly none of those bands toured for the same album 4-5 times with 4-5 different lineups, so it is an apples to oranges comparison.

faldor wrote:

buzzsaw wrote:

Quoted for faldor since he forgot what even he saw as a possible concern...

I can recall what I posted less than a week ago, but thanks for the reminder.

My point buzz, was WHAT do YOU consider "barely anything?"  While I questioned why they weren't playing certain songs, I never said they were barely playing any CD songs.  I wouldn't call playing 5-7 songs nightly, which is a third to half of the album, "barely anything".  Now you may, and if that's the case, then fine.  I assume you think they should be playing all the songs from the album at least in a rotational basis.  Those are lofty expectations, and they may have set themselves up for that by playing 13 of the songs at the Tokyo show.  But still, 5-7 new songs is a very solid and respectable number of songs for ANY band touring in support of a new album.

I consider 5-7 songs barely anything when the tour is supposedly in support of THAT album (for the fifth time or so).  They played as many or more songs BEFORE the album came out.  Raising the percentage of CD songs by playing less songs overall isn't the answer.

Excuse me while I try to bring us back on track.  I think the band is enjoying themselves quite a bit right now.  They're in the midst of a very successful run of tour dates, which is rolling on for the foreseeable future.  And while I'd LOVE to hear new music or get a new album, I just don't see that happening now.  There's really no need for them to drop a new album while they're already touring another album.  Why not finish touring this album, then take some time off, THEN release another album and repeat the process?

So while I was slightly excited at the prospect of new music earlier in the day, I'm returning to my stance that new music isn't anywhere close to being released.

I agree that the current lineup is enjoying themselves (except for Axl).  I think the shorter shows is an indication that either Axl isn't enjoying himself anymore, or he's getting lazy.  Neither is a really good sign.  I had high hopes when this tour started so strong, but it has worked itself back to being the same old boring tour.  There is no point in touring the US with the same show he's tried to tour with 4 times already.  The interest is there overseas where everybody flocks to one show in their country or for a festival...they could tour the US tomorrow and it wouldn't fare any better than the last tour, and would likely do worse.

At this point, I think the only hope is to return to the studio with this lineup and strike while there is still minimal interest.  If he waits until there is no interest, it's over.  It might be over anyway, but doing nothing assures that.

Naltav wrote:

buzzsaw wrote:

I won't even believe it then.  Axl said that CD was coming for years before it actually came out.

That said, if there is an album, he will HAVE to work with someone to promote it because the album is not going to sell itself.

Tours are the best promotion when it comes to selling albums! And that's what GNR are doing now... Axl is obviously working with his new management and various promotors all over the world.

So Axl and GNR have actually been doing a good job since december of last year. They just have too keep going! And it looks like they're doing just that, wouldn't you say buzzsaw? 

Ummm...no.  Maybe if they were playing music from the upcoming album, but they aren't.  In fact, they are barely playing anything off their most recent album.