Miller is so fucking extreme. Him and sessions are way too anti immigrant. There is a better way to do this.

mitchejw wrote:

Randall Flagg wrote:

Are you arguing with me or a boogeyman you created you think I represent?  Have I ever used that term “fake news” like a Trumpkin or to disparage an entire organization?  Have I ever linked Breitbart.

Fair enough. You don’t care about the border or immigration law. A lot of Americans do, and Donald Trump was primarily elected (not by me remember, I’m the “far right wing Republican” that voted for Clinton) because of his immigration rhetoric. I bet money Congress, to include Democrats, finally does something on immigration before August.

Then you can continue to tell us how you don’t care what the law says, how you’ll support obstructionism at the detriment of people you allegedly care about, because saying “fuck you” to Trump is more important than actually helping people.

I love these conversations, because your posts perfectly represent the “fuck Trump” mentality that much of the left is enamored with. And it’s great to get those arguments solidified and out in the open. Your opinions are your own, but the raw hatred isn’t.

Yes it's true that I see you more than anyone else as the embodiment of a Trump supporter on this board. Even if you did vote for Hillary. You are no where near as critical of Trump as you have been of Obama...so it makes you an easy target.

It is raw hatred...I've never denied that. But even without all of that...I still remain staunch in my stance that 'immigration reform' is the Republicans' Obamacare. All this a-do about putting brown people back where they came from is like ice cream cake. I also remain convinced that this isn't a matter of law or immigration at all...it's as feel good to a sect of the population that I cannot relate to. I believe that whether a Mexican is here legally doesn't matter to many of the Trump supporters. It's just about getting them out by any means necessary.

So I'd say my hatred is well matched.

And that's your prism, not mine or many others.  Sure, there's absolutely a racist component to the immigration debate.  Just like a lot of people just voted for Obama because he was black.  That doesn't mean that Obama wasn't a worthy candidate or was somehow less qualified or capable.  Stupid people agreeing with you doesn't mean the end point is inherently wrong.  There is a valid list of reasons to want a secure border, and you don't get to excuse them because an invalid reason to want to secure the border is rooted in white supremacy.  If 50k Norwegians moved into your neighborhood tomorrow to the point everything in your neighborhood was foreign to you, would you not be a little upset.  What if they were here illegally?  What if they were selling whatever product you make right out in public for 50% less, but without all the red tape you have to abide by to make your items profitable?  You wouldn't feel any resentment?  Ask why your own government is letting this happen without any control? 

I'm not saying the situation is anything like that nationwide, but it absolutely has happened to communities across the nation.  For someone who claims to be an advocate for the black community, I'd think you'd have some interest in immigration since illegal immigrants directly compete with poor, black Americans for housing and labor.  If we don't do anything to deter illegal immigration, if we essentially have an open border, what's going to stop millions more economic migrants from showing up.  Nothing.  So we have to enforce the fucking law, or we don't have a border.  Illegal immigrants learned that if you show up with a kid, it's a free pass until Sessions/Trump started the zero tolerance policy.  I know on the conference today, the DHS secretary said there's been a %300+ increase in child trafficking since Obama chose to not enforce the policy.  Now I'll be the first to say that figure means bullshit without the raw numbers.  Going from 1 to 4 isn't the same as going from 10k to 40k children.  So it's obviously worth the look to figure out how much spin is loaded in that figure and how accurate it is.  But has anyone thought to ask how many kids are exploited because crying mothers makes people feel bad and that's become an argument?

Maybe it's a bullshit statistic.  But you should fucking look it up.  Cause that does matter.  Smugglers and free people alike are making a dangerous journey to illegally enter the US putting themselves and others in danger, to include those children.  Wasn't it just a month ago that a tractor trailer was found with dead migrants from the heat trying to sneak in?  If you remove the reward, they're not going to take the risk.