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#931 Re: The Garden » The Wrestling thread » 553 weeks ago
That main event is sad.
Isn't Steph supposed to be a big part of the problem? That she's fired all the "wrestling heads" and hired reality show writers who actually hate wrestling?
It's just depressing watching anymore.
Yeah, she is part of the problem. But I really can't tell how much since Vince pretty much has control over the damn show and can rewrite/veto stuff on the day of the show. Not really defending her but Vince is the bigger problem, imo.
It's just too freaking long at 3 hrs. At this point, I either watch the youtube videos of the interesting stuff and just read the results. It's just difficult sitting through 3 hours of this stuff when maybe only half of it is engaging. Oh and that's not going into how wins don't mean much and they don't write good feuds anymore (see current UT-Shane feud).
#932 Re: The Garden » The Wrestling thread » 553 weeks ago
slashsfro wrote:misterID wrote:How the hell are they still getting attendance like that when the ratings are so terrible?
A lot of this is the "casual" fanbase. They go to see the spectacle of a Wrestlemania and for better or worse WWE usually delivers on that aspect. Match card + feuds don't really matter in this case.
I can see that. And they do a good job of making it a week long experience like the NFL does with the SB. But I'll be damned if I'm forking over that kind of cash for those matches. HBK made it worth the price no matter who he faced. They don't have that guy anymore.
Pretty much yeah. After Cena retires/scales back, they're going to have a major problem. Reigns is not over no matter how much they want to push him as the next guy. And they still want to push him in the main event for the next 2 years. They don't seem that high on Ambrose. From the face side, they are just going to have to get lucky and pray that someone gets over with the fans. Because it sure as hell isn't the writing/plotlines that will drive fans there.
They're putting on Taker-Shane as the main event (how sad is that in 2016) to send the fans home happy.
One last thing, Nakamura's debit tonight (who actually does have a decent legit MMA record) was magical. The guy is a star, he's not a indie wrestler. One of the most over people in the company before his music hit, charismatic a legit (wrestling Observer) 5 match machine. He's too good for this company, they'll see someone who has the potential to be more over than Bryan and attempt to bury him because he's Japaneses.
I fully expect that to happen, especially since Vince is still running the show and he has a certain type of wrestler that he favors. NXT (HHH run no less) is probably the only thing worth watching in WWE at the moment. Ok, I'll admit that the post WM Raw is at least interesting since they seem to write better than usual for that show.
#933 Re: The Garden » The Wrestling thread » 553 weeks ago
How the hell are they still getting attendance like that when the ratings are so terrible?
A lot of this is the "casual" fanbase. They go to see the spectacle of a Wrestlemania and for better or worse WWE usually delivers on that aspect. Match card + feuds don't really matter in this case.
#934 Re: Guns N' Roses » Izzy Stradlin 'Stuck in the Middle With You' » 558 weeks ago
If it's about money, I can see his point. He is a founding member of GNR and if he thinks he deserving more than touring member money, I have no issue with that.
#935 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 558 weeks ago
Hillary is not my savior, and I do not go on about her like some of you guys do about Trump. I didn't move the goal post, but saying he's doing great with minorities is disingenuous when you take it within its context.
I agree. That 40% of the Latino vote he got in Nevada is small and misleading, when considering the total number of registered Latino voters in Nevada.
#936 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 558 weeks ago
TheMole wrote:
John Oliver, spot on, as usual...Very spot on. Better put than anyone. And if anyone really really is backing Trump, before you do spare yourself 20 minutes and give it a watch - hell even if you disagree with everything anti-trump that is said it's still decent comedy so there are worse ways to spend your time.
My favorite part was when he bashed Trump for selling his Trump Steaks inside a Sharper Image. Or the one where Trump got insecure about his finger size.
#937 Re: The Garden » The Wrestling thread » 559 weeks ago
I know everyone loved the Attitude/NWO era and it was interesting, but I knew back then that while wrestling was very popular at the moment, it would NEVER recover from it. You CANNOT let the crowd in on the joke. You just cant. They did, and while it made wrestling a bit different seeing it from that perspective, they would never be able to sustain the interest.
I'm with Arn Anderson...destroy kayfabe=destroying wrestling.
Nice job Vince and Eric. For short term gains you destroyed it.
Everything that was wonderful about wrestling required that momentary suspension of disbelief to sustain interest. Its why people of all ages enjoyed it. A 10 year old and a 60 year old could both be in the same room glued to the television in suspense of what's going to happen. THat could NEVER happen now.
Matches don't matter
Titles don't matter
so its all worthless.
Sadly I agree with this. It's just different watching this stuff now. I don't think it has anything to do with me getting older. The presentation of the product is just so weird. It's like they totally de-emphasized the sport/competition aspect of it. Add in that they can't write for shit nowdays and that's why it's a huge giant turd.
Just looking at the ratings, they only pop a decent rating on the Raw after Wrestlemania. Their ratings have basically flatlined in the 3 million viewers range. This will get them lowballed when they go to renegotiate their deal with USA.
#938 Re: The Garden » The Wrestling thread » 559 weeks ago
Did anyone watch the ending of Raw last night? That was hilarious for all the wrong reasons. I don't know which one was my favorite chant--the YES one or One More Time after HHH gives Reigns a pedigree on the steps.
#939 Re: The Sunset Strip » The X-FILES Thread » 559 weeks ago
Tell us why you really feel Atari
I still have to catch up on that last 2. Is it even worth it at this point?
That depends. Did you enjoy the first four eps? If you did, I'd just finish watching it. If you hated/lukewarm on them, I'd avoid it since you don't really get any closure on the finale and the writing is shitty for the last 2 episodes. I don't think it was as bad as that werewolf one though. That one was unwatchable.
#940 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 559 weeks ago
I would vote against Trump. If Trump ran as an Independent and Hillary won the nod, I might consider voting for Rubio or Kasich as the Republican. No way would I support Cruz. Cruz might be more radical than Trump.
There is no way I would vote for either Kasich or Rubio. They are as dangerous as Trump. Read up on some of the stuff that Kasich has done in Ohio. It's probably not on Cruz's level on insanity but it's still bad. Rubio's an inexperienced empty suit.
I'd hold my nose and vote for Clinton.
