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Is the Russian investigation pretty much over now in regards to Trump? It has been very quiet for a while.
Congress and the senate seem unable to get shit done too. There is no Fucking plan at all. Very frustrating to see that we cannot fix this cluster fuck called Obama Care. It is maddening to see people still defend it knowing it needs a major overhaul. And then they claim it is failing now because of the threat of it being repealed. Haha it was sucking while Obama was president too! It didn't just become shitty over night.
We need some bandaids on Obama care no matter how fucking shitty the concept is. But I know many want to just watch it implode so we can start fresh. I just worry some folks may fall through the cracks in that situation.
Uh, no, it's not over as the investigations are not public. Obamacare is not a clusterfuck, it's swiss cheese. Mitch and Paul really wish Hillary would have won. Now they have to take the initiative to do a bi partisan bill.
By the way, don't bitch about Obamacare. Don't bitch about congress and the senate not getting anything done. You're not allowed to bitch. Not about anything. You voted, endorsed, defended, championed and rooted for Trump. This is what you get. This shit sandwich is yours. You own it. Congrats.
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misterID wrote:No, Jesus did not look like Jerry Seinfeld.
Smoking Guns wrote:I love how all the liberal fucks choose to dismiss Tillerson and believe everything the fucking Russians say. You hypocritical mother Fucking snow flake pussies. How Fucking ironic
Tillerson is a Putin bitch too. How'd you like that big fat lie Trump told on twitter about Podesta? Which should absolutely be at the forefront of his mind right now.
Podesta is a clown.
I don't know what Jesus actually looked like. It doesn't matter. It was his message that matters to people.
Podesta was never associated with the DNC, Trump lied, again. Wasting his time thinking and tweeting about him when he's at the G20, embarrassing us, having his daughter sit in on his meetings, denying climate change, and licking Putin's asshole. Who's the clown here?
It doesn't strike you as odd that when he's at this summit of world leaders, with the world's attention on him, his first meeting with Putin, that he intentionally lies about the hacking, blaming and criticizing John Podesta and not Putin and Russia for the actual hack? Like he's intentionally deflecting attention away from Putin for committing cyber terrorism? That's not the least bit suspicious?
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Trump will emerge clean from the Muller investigation.
Obama Care is a debacle, but we need to fix. There needs to be accountability. Obama Care had no accountability what so ever.
Re: US Politics Thread
Trump will emerge clean from the Muller investigation.
Obama Care is a debacle, but we need to fix. There needs to be accountability. Obama Care had no accountability what so ever.
You have no idea what you're a talking about. Yes, it needs to be fixed but it did a lot of good. So, let's not ignore that.
- Smoking Guns
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Smoking Guns wrote:Trump will emerge clean from the Muller investigation.
Obama Care is a debacle, but we need to fix. There needs to be accountability. Obama Care had no accountability what so ever.
You have no idea what you're a talking about. Yes, it needs to be fixed but it did a lot of good. So, let's not ignore that.
Did only 2 good things and I would argue really only one: GOT RID OF PRE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
IT DID NOTHING TO REGULATE ABUSE. NOTHING. In fact abuse is worse now than ever. It did nothing to reward a healthy life style. It did nothing to punish the unhealthy lifestyle people so that they have incentive financially to get healthy. It made rates for self employeed people (like me) sky rocket. Pre Obama care here were my increases: $135, 151, 181, 183 per month. Yes it increased but nothing crazy. I now pay for a shittier insurance over $400 per month lol. That is over $2,600 more per year for no fucking reason at all. Lol. So for me, I pay more, and get less. My deductible and all that shit is higher now than when I was at $183. Lol.
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misterID wrote:Smoking Guns wrote:Trump will emerge clean from the Muller investigation.
Obama Care is a debacle, but we need to fix. There needs to be accountability. Obama Care had no accountability what so ever.
You have no idea what you're a talking about. Yes, it needs to be fixed but it did a lot of good. So, let's not ignore that.
Did only 2 good things and I would argue really only one: GOT RID OF PRE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
IT DID NOTHING TO REGULATE ABUSE. NOTHING. In fact abuse is worse now than ever. It did nothing to reward a healthy life style. It did nothing to punish the unhealthy lifestyle people so that they have incentive financially to get healthy. It made rates for self employeed people (like me) sky rocket. Pre Obama care here were my increases: $135, 151, 181, 183 per month. Yes it increased but nothing crazy. I now pay for a shittier insurance over $400 per month lol. That is over $2,600 more per year for no fucking reason at all. Lol. So for me, I pay more, and get less. My deductible and all that shit is higher now than when I was at $183. Lol.
Dude, don't waste your breath. ID still thinks Republicans helped write Obamacare, citing a figure his own politifact article said was false. There's no reasoning with these people. Mitch and SLC are bonafide on meds, but as my grandfather used to say, "you run around with shit, it's bound to rub off."
Just ignore them. They're not even honest in what they believe and will ignore their own quotes about what they said. They just want to argue and believe everything Barry did was awesome and Trump is incapable of doing anything right.
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Is the Russian investigation pretty much over now in regards to Trump?
It's barely started.
We need some bandaids on Obama care no matter how fucking shitty the concept is. But I know many want to just watch it implode so we can start fresh. I just worry some folks may fall through the cracks in that situation.
It's only "imploding" because Republicans (led by Rubio) stiffed the insurers and broke the promises made inside the law. The same thing was done for Medicare part D when W was president and they expanded Medicaid/Medicare (socialism-gasp!) but they were fine with it back then.
As anybody watching can attest to: the GOP stand for nothing. As long as Obama was in favor of it, they were now against it.
What they did to the ACA hurt consumers, hurt business and potentially killed people. Of course then they blamed it on Obama and claim it's "imploding." Insurers raise prices or get out of the exchanges. That's what happens when they aren't paid, and that's why they are suing the government for non payment.
No law is perfect. Laws have been tweaked over the years. But the difference is there were not Mitch McConnells back then. There wasn't the "freedom caucus" or Fox News.
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Smoking Guns wrote:misterID wrote:You have no idea what you're a talking about. Yes, it needs to be fixed but it did a lot of good. So, let's not ignore that.
Did only 2 good things and I would argue really only one: GOT RID OF PRE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
IT DID NOTHING TO REGULATE ABUSE. NOTHING. In fact abuse is worse now than ever. It did nothing to reward a healthy life style. It did nothing to punish the unhealthy lifestyle people so that they have incentive financially to get healthy. It made rates for self employeed people (like me) sky rocket. Pre Obama care here were my increases: $135, 151, 181, 183 per month. Yes it increased but nothing crazy. I now pay for a shittier insurance over $400 per month lol. That is over $2,600 more per year for no fucking reason at all. Lol. So for me, I pay more, and get less. My deductible and all that shit is higher now than when I was at $183. Lol.
Dude, don't waste your breath. ID still thinks Republicans helped write Obamacare, citing a figure his own politifact article said was false. There's no reasoning with these people. Mitch and SLC are bonafide on meds, but as my grandfather used to say, "you run around with shit, it's bound to rub off."
Just ignore them. They're not even honest in what they believe and will ignore their own quotes about what they said. They just want to argue and believe everything Barry did was awesome and Trump is incapable of doing anything right.
Lyin Randy strikes again. I never said they helped him write the bill. Goddamn you're a HUGE liar. I did not quote anything false, to the contrary, the article was about exaggerated figures, but not the fact that republicans added over one hundred amendments, which you continue to lie about them existing. You're such a liar you asked me to name one amendment and one congressman that added anything to the bill. I did, and you're little Lyin mind couldn't handle it.
I like Barry, and Trump hasn't done anything right. But you're both liars, so you got that in common.
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misterID wrote:Smoking Guns wrote:Trump will emerge clean from the Muller investigation.
Obama Care is a debacle, but we need to fix. There needs to be accountability. Obama Care had no accountability what so ever.
You have no idea what you're a talking about. Yes, it needs to be fixed but it did a lot of good. So, let's not ignore that.
Did only 2 good things and I would argue really only one: GOT RID OF PRE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
IT DID NOTHING TO REGULATE ABUSE. NOTHING. In fact abuse is worse now than ever. It did nothing to reward a healthy life style. It did nothing to punish the unhealthy lifestyle people so that they have incentive financially to get healthy. It made rates for self employeed people (like me) sky rocket. Pre Obama care here were my increases: $135, 151, 181, 183 per month. Yes it increased but nothing crazy. I now pay for a shittier insurance over $400 per month lol. That is over $2,600 more per year for no fucking reason at all. Lol. So for me, I pay more, and get less. My deductible and all that shit is higher now than when I was at $183. Lol.
Seriously, go do some real research outside your right wing blogs and websites about why you have those problems....
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Randall Flagg wrote:Smoking Guns wrote:Did only 2 good things and I would argue really only one: GOT RID OF PRE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
IT DID NOTHING TO REGULATE ABUSE. NOTHING. In fact abuse is worse now than ever. It did nothing to reward a healthy life style. It did nothing to punish the unhealthy lifestyle people so that they have incentive financially to get healthy. It made rates for self employeed people (like me) sky rocket. Pre Obama care here were my increases: $135, 151, 181, 183 per month. Yes it increased but nothing crazy. I now pay for a shittier insurance over $400 per month lol. That is over $2,600 more per year for no fucking reason at all. Lol. So for me, I pay more, and get less. My deductible and all that shit is higher now than when I was at $183. Lol.
Dude, don't waste your breath. ID still thinks Republicans helped write Obamacare, citing a figure his own politifact article said was false. There's no reasoning with these people. Mitch and SLC are bonafide on meds, but as my grandfather used to say, "you run around with shit, it's bound to rub off."
Just ignore them. They're not even honest in what they believe and will ignore their own quotes about what they said. They just want to argue and believe everything Barry did was awesome and Trump is incapable of doing anything right.
Lyin Randy strikes again. I never said they helped him write the bill. Goddamn you're a HUGE liar. I did not quote anything false, to the contrary, the article was about exaggerated figures, but not the fact that republicans added over one hundred amendments, which you continue to lie about them existing. You're such a liar you asked me to name one amendment and one congressman that added anything to the bill. I did, and you're little Lyin mind couldn't handle it.
I like Barry, and Trump hasn't done anything right. But you're both liars, so you got that in common.
You're so fucking disingenuous and dishonest. I don't know why I fucking bother, but here it goes. You said Obamacare failed because of too many concessions to Republicans. I call bullshit, and challenge you to name a single concession or show any republicans that worked to draft the bill.
You come back with a cherry picked article from Politifact, that outright says Obama's claim of 700+ republican amendments is false. You then try to claim a Republican worked on a bill, ignoring the fact he left and called it a fucking "Democratic" bill because they wouldn't listen to a single one of his ideas. That's your sleazy way of trying to claim some technical accuracy since a Republican tried to sit in a room, that it somehow shows it was bipartisan. Completely fucking ignoring that not a single Republican idea was used, completely negating any sense of bi-partisanship. HE WALKED THE FUCK AWAY BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T BE BIPARTISAN! Are you that fucking stupid or a fucking egotistical prick that you are so dubious in your bullshit fucking claim that anyone but Democrats wrote, voted on, and own that fucking bill.
Then to be even more fucking stupid, completely undercutting your original claim "too many concessions made to Republicans" (YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE FUCKING REASON WE STARTED THIS LINE OF DISCUSSION), you try to say that because an alleged 156 amendments were adopted, that shows bipartisanship. EXCEPT YOU SKIP THE PART OF THE ARTICLE THAT SAYS THAT'S ALSO BULLSHIT, BECAUSE IT WAS ONLY TECHNICAL AMENDMENTS FOR THE MOST EGREGIOUS ERRORS. ALL BUT 2 PASSED WITH UNANIMOUS CONSENT BECAUSE THEY WERE NON-CONTROVERSIAL AND HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FUCKING SETUP OF THE LAW." The article says they were technical amendments, that were unanimously passed. THERE WAS NO FUCKING CONCESSION, BECAUSE THEY NEVER VOTED ON ANY OF THE AMENDMENTS that actually changed the bill.
So I'll ask your dipshit ass one more final fucking time, "WHAT CONCESSIONS DID THE DEMOCRATS GIVE TO REPUBLICANS THAT MADE THE BILL BAD!" Call out the fucking change to the bill that Republicans magically got Democrats to accept that broke the bill.
You said too many republican concessions fucked the bill. Be an intelligent adult and admit you were fucking wrong, or shut the fuck up. No one who isn't a complete fucking moron understands that your argument is bunk, partisan horseshit.
And that says nothing to the 9/11 Truther (remember guys, he really believes the US government killed 3k of its own people so Bush could go to war. This is who he is. No different than a disgusting bigot protesting interracial marriage or cheering on people's funerals) who is so fucking dense, he can't accept that the Democrats wrote a bad fucking bill in the dead of night and passed it in the sleaziest way possible. Clinton and Chicago politics at its finest. Too fucking stupid to realize you can't blame Rubio for not agreeing to the band-aid fix Democrats wanted to pass after their fucked up bill started to fail.
"It's all the fucking Republicans' fault." These two dipshits don't understand their party wrote the bill, their president used an illegal use of executive power to delay the bad parts from kicking in, and now it is ruining healthcare because their grand social experiment failed. WHen idiots repeat this garbage, tell them to fuck off and pick up a real newspaper.
Rather than facts, they deflect, move goal posts, deny what they've said, and resort to calling you a liar. They're intellectually bankrupt and still too fucking stupid to realize that's why they and their party are out of fucking power at virtually every level of American government. The people caught on to bullshit. And these guys are full of it.
