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Stepvhen
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Re: Wiki Leaks

Stepvhen wrote:
James Lofton wrote:

It revealed that America was storing illegal weaponry in Britain with british consent.

This info does not need to be available to the public. The US has Europe under a "nuclear umbrella" and of course that umbrella is gonna include everything including the kitchen sink.

But it is the truth. And it is a crime. Dangerous as it may be the Brittish should have thought about that before they stored the weapons




Europe wants the US to protect it all costs then whines when it does. Make up your fucking minds. The US is willing to lose millions of lives, our entire military, and countless cities to protect Europe from a catastrophic attack. Since you guys apparently don't like it, start mobilizing a huge grass roots movement to get us out of there.

That is what Wiki leaks is all about grass roots movement towards  . And man,


Does Russia know about this "illegal weaponry"? Of course. No one else needs to know though. You're being protected by weapons that will only be used as a last resort and these weapons are why you weren't speaking Russian and worshiping Stalin statues decades ago. If you want to defend yourself, please pull out of NATO so you can save us billions of dollars a year.

Russia have had just as much of their shit leaked. It's not an anti american thing at all. It's a pro truth thing.

Instead of begging for this wikileaks stuff to be allowed to thrive, start protesting your country's involvement in NATO and plead for the US to pull out of Europe. Its time for all this anti American sentiment to start putting its money where its mouth is. Don't like us or what we stand for? Then stop taking our money and having our military protect you.

Dude again this isn't anti american. Assange isn't event against Iraq. All he has shown is the War Crimes (of both the Iraqis and the Coalition forces) Itnain't anti american. That anti american shit is just immature at this point. The Iraq war was needed after all. This is simply a pro truth movement

Wikileaks is crossing the line in revealing info regarding the US/China/NK situation. That is a powder keg waiting to blow up in the world's face, and leaking anything regarding that crisis puts thousands of US troops at risk in the DMZ, and for that alone I would never support anything about Assange/wikileaks.

First do no harm. That is how wiki leaks work.

There is no threat to your nation in all of this.

FOx news is telling you there is. But take a look at the leaked documents yourself.


There is nothing in there to threaten a single human life.

wikileaks are highly ethical

The US military needs to vaporize wikileaks from existence.

Not possible at this point



Here is a quote from Assange when asked if he was indangering lives in Afghanistahn

"US Secretary of Defence Robert Gates admitted in a letter to the US congress that no sensitive intelligence sources or methods had been compromised by the Afghan war logs disclosure. The Pentagon stated there was no evidence the WikiLeaks reports had led to anyone being harmed in Afghanistan. NATO in Kabul told CNN it couldn't find a single person who needed protecting. The Australian Department of Defence said the same. No Australian troops or sources have been hurt by anything we have published."

Switch off Glen Beck and tune in to what is happening in the world around you. his isn't an attack on your country, if anything it is a strike against your countries opressors and my countries and spains englands indias.....

Stepvhen
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Re: Wiki Leaks

Stepvhen wrote:
Saikin wrote:

So wait, it's alright for you to reference Hinduism and Buddhism to support your case that it isn't cult phenomena, but yet when I try to point out that even those two religions have cults, all of a sudden none of it is about religion.

It's not about religion. Religion has completely obscured this. Look man here it is. There is a thing in eastern thought buried under layers and layers of mysticism, reverence ,self indulgence and poetic babble.

It's not the amazing glorious miracle they make it out to be . It's not 'enlightenment'.  I shouldn't be calling it that. Fuck I've probably done more harm than good saying that. That is fucking dick of me man. It is a way to get yourself free of being a slave to your feelings, and being destroyed whenever you live life fully. We call it liberation, ya  thats a pretentious thing to call it we are well aware. But it is real and it's worth checking out.

It's a small thing dude. It's just the truth that there is no you.


Like I said, you need a bigger cup.  And there is no point in arguing with someone as closed minded as you are.  You think you've found truth and facts?  Great, you've accomplished all there is to accomplished.  You've hit enlightenment.  Great for you, go spread your word.

No comment man you're right.


Please, learn that true enlightenment is not enlightenment at all but something vastly different than anything you can imagine or even begin to describe. I'll leave you with one quote that sums it up perfectly:

"Enlightenment is eating an apple."

Yeah man you're right.

I just hope my fucking psycho bullshit hasn't put you off.

Stepvhen
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Re: Wiki Leaks

Stepvhen wrote:

Jesus look at me quoting world religions to lend creedance to what I'm saying.... as if it matters... fuck me.


A thing is either true or its not. Take a look for yourself if you want it. I'm just doing damage here with my piss poor attempt of communicating

Stepvhen
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Re: Wiki Leaks

Stepvhen wrote:

anyway wiki leaks.


Ya hes prob putting people in danger, but he's putting every country in equal danger.


And should we blame the man who told the truth?

Or the Governments who committed the crimes?

Stepvhen
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Re: Wiki Leaks

Stepvhen wrote:

buzzsaw
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Re: Wiki Leaks

buzzsaw wrote:

All of this crap is coming from people with agendas.  Nobody cares about the truth.  The gov't has an agenda, the wikileaks people have an agenda.  It's all politically motivated from both sides.  Quite frankly, I'm tired of hearing about it. 

Sometimes knowing the truth causes more harm than not knowing the truth.  Disguising it as some pseudo grass roots uprising is an insult to all real greass roots organizations.

James
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Re: Wiki Leaks

James wrote:

But it is the truth. And it is a crime. Dangerous as it may be the Brittish should have thought about that before they stored the weapons

Those weapons are there to protect you.


That is what Wiki leaks is all about grass roots movement towards  .

No it isn't. Its a website leaking information and while that info may span various countries and topics, is slanted towards being anti US. Everyone over there supporting it needs to be rallying outside embassies and other facilities chanting for the US to get out. Cheering on a website while sitting in front of your pc isn't a grass roots movement.


Russia have had just as much of their shit leaked. It's not an anti american thing at all. It's a pro truth thing.

Pro truth? Then why is it so slanted towards smearing the US and revealing info that paints us in a bad light? Pro truth my ass.

Dude again this isn't anti american. Assange isn't event against Iraq. All he has shown is the War Crimes (of both the Iraqis and the Coalition forces) Itnain't anti american. That anti american shit is just immature at this point. The Iraq war was needed after all. This is simply a pro truth movement

Saying its pro truth several times doesn't make it so.

First do no harm. That is how wiki leaks work.

There is no threat to your nation in all of this.

Revealing military information and diplomatic cables undermines the US and certainly places our troops at risk and can even destabilize our relationships with allies. No biggie for you though. You've got the nuclear umbrella and thousands of US troops to defend you at all costs no matter what.

It ain't anti american. That anti american shit is just immature at this point.

The Obama administration is resigned to the fact that it will have to reshuffle numerous diplomats, military officers and intelligence officials in the wake of the WikiLeaks revelations.

Officials said that planning was in the preliminary stages to shake-up staffing at embassies which sent cables, released by the website over the past week, that made critical or embarrassing comments about local leaders.

They refused to discuss specific countries, but it is thought that observations that Col Muammar Gaddafi, the Libyan leader, invariably travels with a "voluptuous blonde Ukranian nurse" could make it difficult for Gene Cretz, a respected career diplomat and Arab specialist, to continue in his post.

Sharp opinions about Vladimir Putin and Silvio Berlusconi could see staff moved from Moscow and Rome. Other countries where changes may have to be made could include France, Turkey, China and Saudi Arabia.

A senior US national security official told the Daily Beast, the respected news website edited by former Vanity Fair editor Tina Brown: "We're going to have to pull out some of our best people – the diplomats who best represented the United States and were the most thoughtful in their analysis – because they dared to report back the truth about the nations in which they serve."

The State Department fears that some staff will not be easily replaced because they were among the leading experts on their regions. Although it has contacted every single country with which it has diplomatic relations to control the fallout from the leaked cables, it is felt that in some cases the embarrassment caused is too deep to avoid the departure of some ambassadors and senior staff.

An official said "we think it's only a matter of time" before foreign governments start requiring the removal of some US diplomats by declaring them persona non-grata, which could lead to a series of tit-for-tat expulsions.

Senator John Kerry, the Democratic chairman of the Senate foreign relations committee, hinted at staffing changes as a result of the disclosures.

"I can't tell you, but it's possible that at some places, people are going to say they can't work with them. And I'll say that quietly and behind the scenes," he told NBC.

-----

Wikileaks: US identifies key sites around world for security



The United States has identified hundreds of sites around the world that it fears could be targeted in terrorist attacks.

The list, released by WikiLeaks, includes a dozen sites in Britain, including two telecommunications centres, several undersea communications cables, a military manufacturing plant and a vaccine production centre.

A February 2009 State Department cable asked embassies around the world to update a 2008 list of vital interests. Unlike most of the documents made available by WikiLeaks so far, it was marked “secret”.

The Government immediately condemned the latest release.

A Downing Street spokesman said this morning: "We unequivocally condemn the unauthorised release of classified information.

"The leaks and their publication are damaging to national security in the United States, Britain and elsewhere.

-----

Plenty more examples but that's enough.

FOx news is telling you there is.

Its funny how Europeans think throwing Fox News into it is gonna put an American in their place during a debate. I don't watch Fox News. Haven't watched it since E.D. Hill and Juliet Huddy were co hosts of Fox and Friends from 3-6 in the morning, which was around 2002-03. I think Hill kept hosting it for awhile after that, but that is the time frame I watched it.

Not possible at this point

Which shows you know very little about cyber warfare and US capabilities. You might want to do some research on US Cyber Command and various Presidential Directives before boldly stating a nerd rapist with a few servers in a bunker can thwart the US.

Also, you might want to go ask Iran about the capabilities we have in this field.

In my opinion, it will only be taken down with such measures when a major leak occurs.

By the way, Russia can probably take it out as well.

Here is a quote from Assange when asked if he was indangering lives in Afghanistahn

Like others who blindly support wikileaks and say it does no harm to the US, I had been expecting you to post the Gates quote where he is referencing ONE specific leak. You of course fail to point out other quotes/articles because it doesn't suit your agenda.

Since you and wikileaks are supposedly "pro truth", I guess I'll post some truth for you.....


Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates on Thursday denounced the disclosure this week of 75,000 classified documents about the Afghanistan war by the Web site WikiLeaks, asserting that the security breach had endangered lives and damaged the ability of others to trust the United States government to protect their secrets.


Speaking to reporters at the Pentagon, Mr. Gates portrayed the documents as “a mountain of raw data and individual impressions, most several years old” that offered little insight into current policies and events. Still, he said, the disclosures — which include some identifying information about Afghans who have helped the United States — have “potentially dramatic and grievously harmful consequences.”


“The battlefield consequences of the release of these documents are potentially severe and dangerous for our troops, our allies and Afghan partners, and may well damage our relationships and reputation in that key part of the world,” he said. “Intelligence sources and methods, as well as military tactics, techniques and procedures, will become known to our adversaries.”

US Defence Secretary Robert Gates welcomed the Wikileaks founder's arrest

"That sounds like good news to me," US defence secretary Robert Gates told NBC television. "The international manhunt for Julian Assange is over."

Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Admiral Mike Mullen held a press conference today to address the leak  of 92,000 documents about the Afghanistan War by the website Wikileaks. Gates condemned the leaks, warning "the battlefield consequences" are "potentially severe and dangerous for our troops."

Gates said that though the documents "do not, in my view, fundamentally call into question the efficacy of our current strategy in Afghanistan and its prospects for success, the incident is a pointed reminder that much secret information is treated as such to protect sources of information, to protect the lives of our men and women in uniform, to deny our enemies the information about our military operations, and to preserve our relationship with friends and allies.

Gates continued that "the battlefield consequences of the release of these documents are potentially severe and dangerous for our troops, our allies and Afghan partners, and may well damage our relationships in that key part of the world."

He added that the Defense Department is conducting a "thorough" investigation into how the leak occurred. "We have a moral responsibility," said Gates, to "mitigate the consequences."

Mullen described the "recklessness" of the leaks, and said that he is "appalled" and frankly outraged that anyone in their right mind would think it valuable to make public even one sensitive report, let alone tens of thousands of them about a war that is being waged.

Mullen continued that Wikileaks founder Julian Assange "can say whatever he likes about the greater good he and his source are doing, but the truth is they might already have on their hands the blood of some young soldier."

Switch off Glen Beck

I don't watch Glen Beck. You guys need new material in these debates.

Kind of off topic, but a study was done a couple years ago and it showed that people who regularly speak negatively towards Fox News(and specifically Beck) were more likely to watch the network than the average person.

Maybe you should take your own advice.

Stepvhen
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Re: Wiki Leaks

Stepvhen wrote:

Those weapons are there to protect you.

Like they protected the two Reuters Journalists torn apart by trigger happy troops in 07 who laughed as a dismembered survivor crawled away from the scene toward a van of young children they also obliterated?

That is your idea of protecting a population ?

Did you not watch the  video of civillian deaths? Or are you purposely deluding yourself in order to sleep at night?


No it isn't. Its a website leaking information and while that info may span various countries and topics, is slanted towards being anti US.

Your paranoia is entertaining, but to be expected your just following along with the rest of the fear mongers

Everyone over there supporting it needs to be rallying outside embassies and other facilities chanting for the US to get out. Cheering on a website while sitting in front of your pc isn't a grass roots movement.

Really? Cheering on a website has begun the worlds first info war. Uncovered the bullshit and crimes of many world governments, and opened up th possbility of justice ofr thousands of wronged parties world wide



Pro truth? Then why is it so slanted towards smearing the US and revealing info that paints us in a bad light? Pro truth my ass.

You're projecting, the anti-us shit is in your head. Again, paranoia

Saying its pro truth several times doesn't make it so.

Take a look at the facts for yourself then. Saying it is anti americawwwwn don't do much to prove your paranoia either


Revealing military information and diplomatic cables undermines the US and certainly places our troops at risk and can even destabilize our relationships with allies. No biggie for you though. You've got the nuclear umbrella and thousands of US troops to defend you at all costs no matter what.

There has been on information that would endanger american lives leaked. The only people threatened are the same government and news outlets you are puppeting here


It ain't anti american. That anti american shit is just immature at this point.

The Obama administration is resigned to the fact that it will have to reshuffle numerous diplomats, military officers and intelligence officials in the wake of the WikiLeaks revelations.

Officials said that planning was in the preliminary stages to shake-up staffing at embassies which sent cables, released by the website over the past week, that made critical or embarrassing comments about local leaders.

They refused to discuss specific countries, but it is thought that observations that Col Muammar Gaddafi, the Libyan leader, invariably travels with a "voluptuous blonde Ukranian nurse" could make it difficult for Gene Cretz, a respected career diplomat and Arab specialist, to continue in his post.

Sharp opinions about Vladimir Putin and Silvio Berlusconi could see staff moved from Moscow and Rome. Other countries where changes may have to be made could include France, Turkey, China and Saudi Arabia.

A senior US national security official told the Daily Beast, the respected news website edited by former Vanity Fair editor Tina Brown: "We're going to have to pull out some of our best people – the diplomats who best represented the United States and were the most thoughtful in their analysis – because they dared to report back the truth about the nations in which they serve."

The State Department fears that some staff will not be easily replaced because they were among the leading experts on their regions. Although it has contacted every single country with which it has diplomatic relations to control the fallout from the leaked cables, it is felt that in some cases the embarrassment caused is too deep to avoid the departure of some ambassadors and senior staff.

An official said "we think it's only a matter of time" before foreign governments start requiring the removal of some US diplomats by declaring them persona non-grata, which could lead to a series of tit-for-tat expulsions.

Senator John Kerry, the Democratic chairman of the Senate foreign relations committee, hinted at staffing changes as a result of the disclosures.

"I can't tell you, but it's possible that at some places, people are going to say they can't work with them. And I'll say that quietly and behind the scenes," he told NBC.

-----

Wikileaks: US identifies key sites around world for security



The United States has identified hundreds of sites around the world that it fears could be targeted in terrorist attacks.

The list, released by WikiLeaks, includes a dozen sites in Britain, including two telecommunications centres, several undersea communications cables, a military manufacturing plant and a vaccine production centre.

A February 2009 State Department cable asked embassies around the world to update a 2008 list of vital interests. Unlike most of the documents made available by WikiLeaks so far, it was marked “secret”.

The Government immediately condemned the latest release.

A Downing Street spokesman said this morning: "We unequivocally condemn the unauthorised release of classified information.

"The leaks and their publication are damaging to national security in the United States, Britain and elsewhere.

-----

Plenty more examples but that's enough.

No dude thats not enough. Lets see your UNBIASED sources. Are you not getting whats going on around you ?



Its funny how Europeans think throwing Fox News into it is gonna put an American in their place during a debate. I don't watch Fox News. Haven't watched it since E.D. Hill and Juliet Huddy were co hosts of Fox and Friends from 3-6 in the morning, which was around 2002-03. I think Hill kept hosting it for awhile after that, but that is the time frame I watched it.

Interesting, as you seem to be spouting the same defensive anti European pro military right bullshit.


Which shows you know very little about cyber warfare and US capabilities. You might want to do some research on US Cyber Command and various Presidential Directives before boldly stating a nerd rapist with a few servers in a bunker can thwart the US.

Ya dude, you obviously have no idea what your talking about or how the internet works.

Case in point: If they could have shut wiki leaks down, they would have by now.
Are you seriously saying they would shut down the entire internet over this?

To save a few measley American lives?? Take a look at the lives they have wasted of


Also, you might want to go ask Iran about the capabilities we have in this field.

pfffftt see above

In my opinion, it will only be taken down with such measures when a major leak occurs.

Your congress is already speeding through a bill to censor the internet.
Better than that, major leaks have occurred, the press is ignoring them, black listing them.

Your government is scurrying to enforce archaic legal doctrines to block internet usage BECAUSE your military cannot take down a single site. The internet yes but no one single site




Like others who blindly support wikileaks and say it does no harm to the US, I had been expecting you to post the Gates quote where he is referencing ONE specific leak. You of course fail to point out other quotes/articles because it doesn't suit your agenda.

My agenda? Stop talking through your ass you moral coward.



Since you and wikileaks are supposedly "pro truth", I guess I'll post some truth for you.....

You don't care about truth. You're trying to make this personal so you can win an argument on the internet.

Fucking disgusting


[b]Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates on Thursday denounced the disclosure this week of 75,000 classified documents about the Afghanistan war by the Web site WikiLeaks, asserting that the security breach had endangered lives and damaged the ability of others to trust the United States government to protect their secrets.

Actions speak louder than words. If there was nothing of importance leaked why hunt the man down? Why EXPLICITLY SAY that he in fact did release such data? Why get interpol involved.


Lets go one step better. How about you take a look at some of the documents.

Use your own brain for a while instead of fighting someone elses battle ffind out whats true for yourself.


But you have no interest in truth... None. Gross moral cowardice. Thats all that is going on here.



Kind of off topic, but a study was done a couple years ago and it showed that people who regularly speak negatively towards Fox News(and specifically Beck) were more likely to watch the network than the average person.

Interesting.


Maybe you should take your own advice.

I have.

Maybe you should do something for YOURSELF for once. Check it out for yourself.

Be fucking honest.

Stepvhen
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Re: Wiki Leaks

Stepvhen wrote:

The truth is worth telling just because it is true.  Anyone who says anything less is a coward.

Stepvhen
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Re: Wiki Leaks

Stepvhen wrote:

Why have we all become so Weak???

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