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buzzsaw
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buzzsaw wrote:

The truth doesn't give up bigbri.  So far, nothing (and I mean nothing) has happened to prove me wrong.  Where are the number 1 singles?  Do you really think the album is going to sell after the first couple of days based on 2 singles with mixed (at best) reviews?  Shit - you guys don't even know what songs are good and which ones suck.

Anybody that thinks Axl is a good singer go download some boots, then play the albums.  That will put a quick end to that debate.  Again, he didn't rerecord the live era vocals because they were good, did he?  Surely he could have found 25 songs that had good vocals on them with all the material out there, right?  Nothing wrong with admiring someone, but try to open both eyes.

monkeychow
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monkeychow wrote:

I'm confused Buz...are you actually saying you don't think Axl is a good vocal talent? I won't deny that he's had off days live and that perhaps he takes a while to craft what he does and a lot of takes or whatever...but when he is on...damn...do you really think he isn't a good singer?

tejastech08
 Rep: 194 

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tejastech08 wrote:
buzzsaw wrote:

The truth doesn't give up bigbri.  So far, nothing (and I mean nothing) has happened to prove me wrong.  Where are the number 1 singles?  Do you really think the album is going to sell after the first couple of days based on 2 singles with mixed (at best) reviews?  Shit - you guys don't even know what songs are good and which ones suck.

Anybody that thinks Axl is a good singer go download some boots, then play the albums.  That will put a quick end to that debate.  Again, he didn't rerecord the live era vocals because they were good, did he?  Surely he could have found 25 songs that had good vocals on them with all the material out there, right?  Nothing wrong with admiring someone, but try to open both eyes.

Slash sucked ass too live. It's called being wasted and being a rock star. Ever listened to Led Zeppelin live? Just about the only great live band I've ever heard is Pink Floyd.

buzzsaw
 Rep: 423 

Re: And Here ... We ... Go.

buzzsaw wrote:
monkeychow wrote:

I'm confused Buz...are you actually saying you don't think Axl is a good vocal talent? I won't deny that he's had off days live and that perhaps he takes a while to craft what he does and a lot of takes or whatever...but when he is on...damn...do you really think he isn't a good singer?

Great singers aren't only good when they are on.  When he's on, he's one of the best as indicated by studio performances and occasional live efforts.  When he's off (most of the time live) he's pretty bad.  Sure, everyone has bad days, but Axl has had bad tours with a few good days mixed in.

I'm sure some of that has to do with the different "styles" he sings in, but that's just making excuses.  If you can't handle different styles, don't use them.  He's my favorite rock singer of all time - that doesn't mean he's the best.

buzzsaw
 Rep: 423 

Re: And Here ... We ... Go.

buzzsaw wrote:
tejastech08 wrote:
buzzsaw wrote:

The truth doesn't give up bigbri.  So far, nothing (and I mean nothing) has happened to prove me wrong.  Where are the number 1 singles?  Do you really think the album is going to sell after the first couple of days based on 2 singles with mixed (at best) reviews?  Shit - you guys don't even know what songs are good and which ones suck.

Anybody that thinks Axl is a good singer go download some boots, then play the albums.  That will put a quick end to that debate.  Again, he didn't rerecord the live era vocals because they were good, did he?  Surely he could have found 25 songs that had good vocals on them with all the material out there, right?  Nothing wrong with admiring someone, but try to open both eyes.

Slash sucked ass too live. It's called being wasted and being a rock star. Ever listened to Led Zeppelin live? Just about the only great live band I've ever heard is Pink Floyd.

You need to get out and see more shows.

Edit: Shows I've seen with much better live singing than Axl: Aerosmith (several times), Van Halen (Hagar), Shinedown, Slaughter, Matchbox 20, Maroon 5, Smashing Pumpkins, Sugar Ray and I'm sure I'm forgetting others.  That's without even putting an effort into it.

PaSnow
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PaSnow wrote:
buzzsaw wrote:

You guys really think SCOM and NR are lyrical masterpieces?  Wow is all I can say.  A 10 year old could have written them to his first puppy love (especially SCOM).  Wake up.  Axl is not a fantastic singer (see his live performances as proof), he's not a magical song writer (see HIS whole body of work as proof - do you think he rerecorded some of the vocals for live era because they were good?)

Not for nothing but I wholeheartedly disagree. I think Axl is a phenomenal songwriters, possibly the best of my generations era (Maybe Bono, Vedder & Kiedes are up there as well imho). I also think SCOM is a tremendously well written song. A little short in word length, but to me, a great song/poem. NR is also, although I hate the finished product. The piano & acoustic demos were much better. He's a big part of what seperated GnR from Poison, Crue, Skid Row etc..

My problems with Axl are more as a person/diva/baby whatever. The whole taking the stage late, cancelling shows etc is wierd, strange, and inexcusable. Anyone about to attempt to disagree on that should stfu.

tejastech08
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tejastech08 wrote:
PaSnow wrote:
buzzsaw wrote:

You guys really think SCOM and NR are lyrical masterpieces?  Wow is all I can say.  A 10 year old could have written them to his first puppy love (especially SCOM).  Wake up.  Axl is not a fantastic singer (see his live performances as proof), he's not a magical song writer (see HIS whole body of work as proof - do you think he rerecorded some of the vocals for live era because they were good?)

Not for nothing but I wholeheartedly disagree. I think Axl is a phenomenal songwriters, possibly the best of my generations era (Maybe Bono, Vedder & Kiedes are up there as well imho). I also think SCOM is a tremendously well written song. A little short in word length, but to me, a great song/poem. NR is also, although I hate the finished product. The piano & acoustic demos were much better. He's a big part of what seperated GnR from Poison, Crue, Skid Row etc..

My problems with Axl are more as a person/diva/baby whatever. The whole taking the stage late, cancelling shows etc is wierd, strange, and inexcusable. Anyone about to attempt to disagree on that should stfu.

Axl is definitely one of the biggest a-hole divas in music history.

buzzsaw
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Re: And Here ... We ... Go.

buzzsaw wrote:
PaSnow wrote:

I also think SCOM is a tremendously well written song. A little short in word length, but to me, a great song/poem. NR is also, although I hate the finished product. The piano & acoustic demos were much better.

You're entitled to your opinion.  I wrote a song about as good lyrically as SCOM when I was in HS, but I didn't have Izzy and Slash to turn it into a great song.  SCOM is about as simple as you can get from a lyrical perspective.  It may be poetic, it may be beautiful, but it's no different than the emo fluff out there today other than Axl Rose wrote it, so that makes it better.  It doesn't work that way.  There's nothing wrong with simple, but you need to accept it for what it is.  I love SCOM, I love NR and Estranged.  Axl's songs are some of my all time favorites, but they are what they are...pansy songs saved by some good to amazing guitar work.

I expect some resistance from a GnR site obviously, but I really figured some of the old timers would be able to look at it more honestly than they did when they were 16.  Axl Rose = Hinder and all the other fluff bands out there minus the name Guns N' Roses.  He writes pansy songs about how sad his life is now that he, I mean others, fucked it up - that's pretty emo.  There's nothing wrong with it, but it is what it is and pretending otherwise because it was released under the name Guns N' Roses is irresponsible.  The name lost it's value when the key rock guys were removed from the equation (both old and new bands).

PaSnow
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Re: And Here ... We ... Go.

PaSnow wrote:
buzzsaw wrote:

I expect some resistance from a GnR site obviously, but I really figured some of the old timers would be able to look at it more honestly than they did when they were 16.  Axl Rose = Hinder and all the other fluff bands out there minus the name Guns N' Roses.

"Her hair reminds me of a warm safe place where as a child I'd hide, and pray for the thunder and the rain to quietly pass me by" 1000x >>>> "Hate me today, hate me tomorrow hate me for all the things I've ever said and done" or whatever.


10 times out of 10.


Not trying to start a war with you or anything, I just like the AFD lyrics tremendously. All of em. Even Think About You is great to me.

tejastech08
 Rep: 194 

Re: And Here ... We ... Go.

tejastech08 wrote:
buzzsaw wrote:

Axl's songs are some of my all time favorites, but they are what they are...pansy songs saved by some good to amazing guitar work.

I do agree that Axl's lyrics are pretty wimpy on a lot of the epics/ballads, but his VOICE is what separates him from the EMO crap. Not the fact that he's Axl Rose. It's the damn voice. You might not want to recognize the fact that people love his voice, but I'll just say that you are in serious denial if you think SCOM and NR were only hits because of the guitar work. Wake the fuck up. The girls went crazy over Axl's voice, and plenty of guys love his voice too because it's unique compared to the Motley Crue/Poison/Skidd Row/whatever other hair band singers were around at the time. They all sounded the same except for him. He stood out, and still stands out just like Slash/Duff/Izzy stood out from the other hair metal guitarists and bassists of the rock scene back then.

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