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#1 Re: Guns N' Roses » Magnum Opus: New Book on the Making of Chinese Democracy » 6 days ago
Blackstar wrote:polluxlm wrote:Anything interesting?
There is a few, like Pitman saying that, in addition to the material written by band members, there was material from outside songwriters (who were "big names") coming in.
Not that DJ is a 'big name' but before he was in GN'R he had done writing for Motley, wouldn't surprise me if he was shopping around songs to them before he joined. I did hear a rumour years ago that Joe leste from Bang Tango and Beautiful Creatures (Ashbas old band) may have sent songs to them but never heard anymore about it. 'Big names' however makes me think maybe Desmond Child
Pitman seems to be referring to the 1998-2001 period (when the bulk of the material was written).
The only possibility that comes to mind (aside from Desmond Child type songwriters) is that maybe he was referring to Izzy's songs (the ones from the 90s that Axl asked and got back around 2000). But then why would Pitman avoid mentioning Izzy and be so secretive about it?
#2 Re: Guns N' Roses » Magnum Opus: New Book on the Making of Chinese Democracy » 7 days ago
Anything interesting?
There is a few, like Pitman saying that, in addition to the material written by band members, there was material from outside songwriters (who were "big names") coming in.
#3 Re: Guns N' Roses » Magnum Opus: New Book on the Making of Chinese Democracy » 7 days ago
Blackstar wrote:Shacklermyrye wrote:I'm going to wait until the physical version is released, but is there any chance Tobias has been interviewed for this? I assume off the record if so.
Pitman is interviewed and 2-3 other NuGnR members are talking anonymously (I don't think Paul Tobias is one of them).
I just finished the book today. I think it might be possible he spoke to Paul.
The Pitman interview must have either been disappointingly short (with little juice), or it was split in the official and the anonymous part. I totally could imagine the quote on Beta coming from Pitman, same thing with the disillusionment after CD with the half filled Vegas residency, as well as with the working on D-List songs with Axl in the studio. Also the bad blood with Slash & Duff screams Pitman.
The only part that is puzzling me is the exit of Paul. It would fit perfectly to Pitman as well, but he is mentioned directly underneath it with a contradictory statement. That could of course have been deliberately done in order to cover himself properly, or it was indeed another member. I honestly don't see that coming from either Brain, Bucket, Robin, or Tommy. Bucket and Robin usually don't talk. And Brain and Tommy are the ones that gave the most interviews about their experiences and there's little indication that anything else in the book might have come from either of them. That would leave Dizzy or even Paul himself. I wouldn't rule out either. Both would also make sense in regards to the quote about "being payed just enough to get by" for the longer stretch of time.
I think the anonymous quote about Paul Tobias' exit is not something Stinson or Brain would say out in the open, so it may be one of them. I doubt it's Paul Tobias himself, because there would be at least one other anonymous quote about another subject pointing out that it's him. And Pitman saying that off the record and then on the same page saying something different on the record is too much of a stretch, in my opinion.
But definitely some of the other anonymous quotes are Pitman talking off the record because of NDA, especially the bitter one about the reunion rehearsals. I also guess that all their NDAs don't allow them to give specifics about their salaries, so it could be anyone of them talking about that anonymously. The one about not being paid on time after TB took over management is obviously from someone who was still in the band after 2011.
There are other anonymous quotes that are not from band members, but probably from technicians or other employees. The quote on Beta (the really bad one) sounds like it could be from someone like Robert John.
#4 Re: Guns N' Roses » Magnum Opus: New Book on the Making of Chinese Democracy » 7 days ago
Blackstar wrote:Shacklermyrye wrote:I'm going to wait until the physical version is released, but is there any chance Tobias has been interviewed for this? I assume off the record if so.
Pitman is interviewed and 2-3 other NuGnR members are talking anonymously (I don't think Paul Tobias is one of them).
I would assume Stinson and Fink, Brain probably still had one foot in the camp when this book was being written, he might not anymore because of Isaac but you would probably know better than I. Besides he may think speaking either on the record or off could put Mellissa in an difficult position. Any song names mentioned?
I assume Stinson is one of them. I doubt it's Finck, because there's not much about him like why he left (the second time). It doesn't seem that the author got access to anyone close to him either, like he got access to a couple of people around Buckethead. Or maybe some members agreed to only answer certain questions and refrained from commenting on other subjects. I wouldn't rule out Brain because he has been quite open after the reunion.
No unreleased song name except the industrial Elvis cover Axl recorded on his own and Dominguez says it was 'Can't Help Falling In Love'.
#5 Re: Guns N' Roses » Magnum Opus: New Book on the Making of Chinese Democracy » 7 days ago
Blackstar wrote:Yes, from first look it seems like a very well written and well researched book. Author has really done his homework combining information already out there and original interviews. Worth ordering, in my opinion.
I'm going to wait until the physical version is released, but is there any chance Tobias has been interviewed for this? I assume off the record if so.
Pitman is interviewed and 2-3 other NuGnR members are talking anonymously (I don't think Paul Tobias is one of them).
#6 Re: Guns N' Roses » Magnum Opus: New Book on the Making of Chinese Democracy » 9 days ago
Yes, from first look it seems like a very well written and well researched book. Author has really done his homework combining information already out there and original interviews. Worth ordering, in my opinion.
#7 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tracks missing from the leaked CD's » 4 weeks ago
Ides Of March 1998 according to Dominguez. He said these were the ones they bought in most complete I think and that would have been January 98, therefore they could be from 1997. Axl got the Idea for Oklahoma In 1995 just after the bombing (same week Izzy and Duff were doing Machine Gun ect) So I guess it depends on what you consider the start of a song writing process, either 95 or 98 take your pick
I'm curious to see if Dizzy gets a writing credit for Nothin'. If so, I think it's possible that Nothin' is Ides of March (Dominguez said it was a Dizzy loop).
#8 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tracks missing from the leaked CD's » 5 weeks ago
You're right about one thing: derailing the thread, but I'm not on badapplesforum and you're not on mygnr or a4d. Anyway, my apologies for that to the admins and rest of the folks on here. Over and out.
#9 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tracks missing from the leaked CD's » 5 weeks ago
Blackstar wrote:Bill Brasky wrote:Ma'am please don't derail this thread with off topic matters occurring on another forum.
But since you want discuss credibility, Do you find it odd you never admit your own mistakes or correctly give credit to others ?
You could've easily replied to me directly on badapplesforum or private messaged me here instead you derail this thread.
Copy/ pasting articles and Chinese Whispers (A Masterpiece) does not give you credibility.
I don't want to come to badapplesforum (nothing against it, it's just not for me) but there are public posts on there (a forum I'm not a member of) referring to me, to which I wanted to respond in public. My bad. I had ignored it until now and I think I better go back to that. As for the rest about not admtting, not crediting, copy-pasting and all that, I don't know what you're on about.
So you took it upon yourself to come here and derail a thread twice even though you own your a gnr forum and post mostly on mygnr Gotcha !
What have you ingored until now your hypocrisy ? Acting like a source of knowledge of matters like Children of the revolution when I was the first years ago to report via my source Axl, Slash and Duff recording it and you called me a troll and it didn't exist?
My public post just pointed out your error nothing else.
Your own words
" 2) The image is cropped from a larger one (that has not been shared in public), which is a screenshot of what appears to be a forwarded email originally sent by Fernando and dating from January 2008."
The image i posted in response and
Tweet
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G7a0eGsb0AI … name=small
That matches your quote aboveThe more common shared image
https://i.imgur.com/T6I6W5R.png and the one you quoted in your post
https://www.mygnrforum.com/topic/227157 … /page/160/You did not state in your post you were referring the one were multiple emails address are shown did ya.
Again: Your image from Jen's tweet was shared earlier in that very mygnr thread (by user Sweersa) before I made my post.
https://www.mygnrforum.com/topic/227157 … nt-5124671
https://www.mygnrforum.com/topic/227157 … nt-5124785
How would I be referring to it as "not shared in public"? It was self-evident from the flow of the thread that I was referring to another, larger screenshot, not the one that was already there in plain sight.
I understand that it's part of your shtick to pick up on the smallest and most insignificant things looking for a "gotcha", but be more careful next time.
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As for Children of the Revolution:
I made an educated guess. That's part of the process of critical thinking that you're obviously not familiar with, so I'll break it down for you.
When I come across any information or story, I'll look for verification (like an identified official source, a reference, a document, etc., or at least confirmation from a second unofficial source). When the information cannot be verified in this way, I'll make an educated guess based on logic. Of course, educated guesses may turn out to be wrong sometimes since they don't rely on evidence but on logic alone, and I know that when I make them.
In the case of Children of the Revolution, logic said that it probably was not true since the original rumour shared by Mitch Lafon was debunked, and even if there was indeed a recording, it was unlikely to be included in a GN'R release because it was not part of a GN'R project. Eventually my educated guess turned out to be wrong and I admitted it on mygnr.
#10 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tracks missing from the leaked CD's » 5 weeks ago
Blackstar wrote:There were some ADATs in Tom Zutaut's storage locker, if I'm not mistaken, although most of them probably not related to GN'R. Maybe a couple were, like the Sympathy For The Devil sessions (I think they were in ADATs).
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Brasky, I'm not participating or interested in any "credibility competition" with you. Not sure what your problem is. I have nothing to do with access to "insider information" or anything like that, and I have never played this game.
Re: the "CD2" image, I was referring to an even larger screenshot than the one with Fernando's credentials, in which the credentials of the person who forwarded Fernando's email and of the person who received the forwarded email are also visible. This larger screenshot was shared with me when I used to question the authenticity of the cropped image. The one with just Fernando's credentials in Jen's tweet was shared earlier in that same thread, so how could I be referring to that as "not shared in public"?
Ma'am please don't derail this thread with off topic matters occurring on another forum.
But since you want discuss credibility, Do you find it odd you never admit your own mistakes or correctly give credit to others ?
You could've easily replied to me directly on badapplesforum or private messaged me here instead you derail this thread.
Copy/ pasting articles and Chinese Whispers (A Masterpiece) does not give you credibility.
I don't want to come to badapplesforum (nothing against it, it's just not for me) but there are public posts on there (a forum I'm not a member of) referring to me, to which I wanted to respond in public. My bad. I had ignored it until now and I think I better go back to that. As for the rest about not admtting, not crediting, copy-pasting and all that, I don't know what you're on about.
