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#181 Re: Guns N' Roses » The Creative Crisis of Guns N' Roses » 453 weeks ago
Fair point, Monkey, but it also has a lot to do with what the boss wants. Axl will be on his best behavior, and Angus might appreciate a progression from Brian and utilizing those killer screams.
#182 Re: Guns N' Roses » New Tour Dates Added » 454 weeks ago
Thanks to Gibbo who linked me this stuff...here's GNR going "I Feel Good" today....
Full-screen link here.
#183 Re: Guns N' Roses » The Devil Woman of Lafayette » 457 weeks ago
not sure which voice this is, but axl sounds like a fuckin' monster on chorus of better at the apollo theatre
I did like how he used the low It's So Easy voice to work his way around some parts. Having said that, the Devil Woman part ('Never wanted you to be so full of anger....') sounded thin, not really the manic Ax that grabs you by the collar. He can prolly still do it in the studio, but it's no doubt a hard voice to tour with.
#184 Re: Guns N' Roses » When's Album? » 457 weeks ago
They can't even put out a retrospective album, or even a 30th anniversary edition of an old album.
They will never, ever release a new album.
The dream is over.
Reason suggests you're right, but Axl has wanted to put out a new album since 2008. He went as far as to suggest late 2009 in the Dexter chats. Big stepping stones have included, but not limited to, the deteriorating relationship with Azoff, the bashing Axl gave to the local branch of Universal soon after CD's release (messed-up booklet, et al), the non-eventful release and withering sales... Late 2009 soon became an impossibilty, because neither Axl nor the label were there.
However, late into the year Axl apparently made a break for it and at around mounting the Oriental shows, he started working with Pitman on those CD2 songs again. They got off the road in 2010, and went into the studio again. Only... something happened to Axl. It was similar to his blowback in 2009; again, he'd put in a good amount of weight since his last public appearance. Only it was worse.
Maybe it was the Azoff lawsuit, as it was decided Axl was obliged to tour Ticketmaster venues in the US, with Azoff getting a fair share of the spoils. Axl tells LA Times by the tour end that they'll release stuff "as soon as we can figure out what our deal is with labels". He still needed someone to play the game on his behalf with the suits, and apparently, that ball was last touched when Azoff slamdunked a BestBuy exclusive.
Of course, the 2011 tour was a battlefield. Ron was coming down from his car accident, was on painkillers and drinking heavily. People had issues. When the boss of it all is phoning it in, underlings will follow. DJ's playing got sloppier, and while the fans cared, the band - less so. The album was a bit lost, per chance. Ron started to sound like Slash in '95, as in, "we need to get the band into a room and start working".
What they did manage to put together in 2012-14 was AFDem. It was a soft middle-of-the-road release - exclusively on Blu-Ray so they'd get good-looking headlines on how it topped the charts. More important must've been sussing out the works between Uni and Guns. There's all sorts of traffic that goes on in such transactions and AFDem hopefully ironed some post-CD wrinkles out.
After the 2014 residency and acquittal of the live band, Axl trademarked Stay of Execution and went into the studio with Pitman again. Fortus said Axl even recorded new vocals. He seemed to be in the loop, unlike Ron and DJ, and it's possible he's been in and out of Axl's studio, recording guitars.
Axl's played his hand on CD2 extremely close to his chest, enjoying its anonymity. It was a different story 20 years ago. The curiosity value had left, but also, the label was spoken for and work could be carried out in very small circles. Since CD, Caram has only AFDem to his name, which sort of implies he's been on retainer in the Guns camp all that time.
Of course, Pitman was pushed out early last year. Attitude. There's had to be a lot of ire and tension before that with Slash and Duff. CD2 was pushed back, because the re-boot of the live band was best served as another nostalgia tour. Then AC/DC happened and touring kept racking money.
It's as close as it always is.
#185 Re: Guns N' Roses » When's Album? » 457 weeks ago
c2ya wrote:"Robin Finck's guitar tech said 68 songs done - working on 14 more"
Naturally, re-recording, things get dropped, etc. It's just interesting to hear the ~70 song number from another source.
Nice find!
The 70-or-so songs came straight from Axl in late '99, in an audio interview with Kurt Loder.
"We've been working on, I don't know, 70 songs."
By what band members have told, this amount comes from two lists, the A-list having songs for CD with vocals, while the B-list had sketchier bits, and likely most of the EDM material. To understand the situation, we need to remember a lot of stuff was pooled from the midnight jams Dizzy, Paul & co. were having in '95-'98. Beavan came in and they started piecing the most promising stuff into complete songs.
It was a completely new way to make a rock album; sampling things out of jams and using the state-of-the-art digital technology. DJ Shadow's AFD. The early sessions with Moby might've ingrained Axl with the idea that EDM is another possibility down the line. Of course, Bob Ezrin's stance on the Beavan-CD probably killed that idea.
From Robin's viewpoint, it was around 68 songs done, as he'd be done with recording them. But 14 new songs since '99 is a lot. Axl broached that the next autumn in a UK show.
"You'll get 18 songs, and about 10 extra tracks."
Pretty much the entire A-list of '99. It sort of suggests to me that during the Village years, Axl was winding down on an EDM album and opting the delve the funky sounds of Bucket and Brain instead.
#186 Re: Guns N' Roses » Atlas Shrugged » 457 weeks ago
Tom Zutaut wrote:"The stuff that we worked on back in ’01 smoked its ass."
I need that.
Must've smelled like Teen Spirit.
For the visually minded: Axl's crew at Village Studios circa 2003-2004. Eric Cadieux, Dan Monti, Axl Rose, Caram Costanzo.
Yup, the original Village crew, who took over from Beavan, Critter, et al @ Rumbo. French Eric, who came in from Joe Satriani's band. Next to him, the wunderkind Del Rey Brewer. He's roughly half of Axl's age, there. He did the awesome thing and left the project in the '04 diaspora to work with Buckethead. They wrote songs like Nottingham Lace together.
And sure enough, there's Caram. He did a lot of maddeningly detailed ProTools work, juggling so many audio tracks and soundbytes. A big deal in a project of CD's timeframe is personnel turnover. The Village move, for instance, was ushered by Bob Ezrin. He'd set the band up for a re-recording, but was not around to share his vision of 'good songs' with a confused Axl anymore. Caram was there, maybe since Day 1 at the Village. He'd follow Axl into the wilderness.
apex-twin wrote:Both RTB and Beavan got an album's worth of music out of Axl within 1,5-2 years. That's a reasonable timeframe...
An album from RTB? I'd say there's maybe 3/4 of an album we know about post-Beavan.
For sure, same songs, mostly. Let's say, a releasable product with the required pedigree. The RTB album was pretty much done, while the orchestrations commissioned by Axl are possibly the only bits of it remaining on CD.
#187 Re: Guns N' Roses » Atlas Shrugged » 457 weeks ago
I stumbled upon this and thought it was humorous...
Classic Rock wrote:"In addition to these leaked tracks, Classic Rock has heard versions of Rhiad And The Bedouins, Prostitute, Atlas Shrugged (another track featuring the signature guitar of Brian May) and Silkworms." (Classic Rock, 07/07)
Mick Wall wrote:You’ve got to remember as well that there have been versions of this CD kicking around since 2001 or 2002. There’s one record company executive, who I dare not name, who was playing privately for journalists in London in the summer of 2007, his version of the album, which dated back to when he worked on the project — 2001 or 2002, when it was first on the schedules to be released. And these were finished tracks.
I guess that solves that one.
Give me that sweet, sweet 2002 CD.
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That would be the Bucket & Brain / Roy Thomas Baker / Tom Zutaut album, the dog poo/chicken coop edition. They were finished tracks. I'd assume Axl's vox was (mostly) from the Beavan's sessions, aside maybe the 'new' songs, like Scraped and Shackler.
In late 2001, Axl became sole producer. He was pleased with the Village Studios dude, Caram, who was made the next Bill Howerdel, his personal studio guy. Next thing we know, Marco Beltrami and Paul Buckmaster visit the studio, doing in elaborate background sections. That's what Ax felt the album needed.
For the record, Ax apparently really wanted RTB to come back, and got angered by the cold shoulder. If you look at CD's credits, RTB's contribution is marginalized to 'additional preproduction', which itself is attributed to his company; ouch! He was in for around 1,5 years, to be sure.
Both RTB and Beavan got an album's worth of music out of Axl within 1,5-2 years. That's a reasonable timeframe and had Mr Anxiety played ball, he would've delivered the works required to move on. Axl took somewhere in the neighborhood of 4 years to complete his version of the album, as the work depended on his nebulous timekeeping and inability to choose.
Again, had this been part 3 of an already ecletic trilogy, with two prior parts out, he would've gotten away with it.
#188 Re: Guns N' Roses » Oh My God and the Thesis of Chinese Democracy » 458 weeks ago
well, the song was only played 3 times in the history, we all know the first performance at RIR3, the other 2 performances were at The Joint 2001.
Was played on 01/01/01, too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO8s0oWGE00
#189 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chris Pitman suing Axl Rose for unpaid 2011 wages » 459 weeks ago
Axl, China Exchange wrote:Part of me feels like I'm happy I didn't write things a year ago to something because… I feel like when I go at it now will be stronger.
Yup, nice find. Means nothing next to releasing things, but many peeps have wondered if Axl ever goes near a studio anymore.
Expect ACDC and side projects once the tour has finished. Nothing new being released anytime soon
Nice to see you, even if you always bring the bad tidings 
If Angus decides on a new album, that spells touring. Ditto Slash with his band.
how much do you think axl was talking out of his ass here?
Axl, London 2002 wrote:After 'Chinese Democracy,' Axl says, "Now, there's been some concern... that if we play 5 or 6 new songs, then there can't that many more on the album. Au contraire mon frère! We're just playin' the songs we're not considering putting out as singles or anything. So you'll get 18 songs and about 10 extra tracks. And when that... when the record company feels that has run [it's] source, then you'll get it all over again. And by that time, I should be done with the 3rd album! So we'll see if all goes well boys and girls! And if Uncle Axl proves not to be an asshole - we'll have to see, the jury's still out."
Not too much, really. Album #2 does exist, to a degree. It has been in the making since late '99.
#190 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chris Pitman suing Axl Rose for unpaid 2011 wages » 459 weeks ago
Well, Ax and Pitman settled the suit.
"Pitman was owed $125,000 for more than a year's worth of work... Axl cried poverty back in 2011 -- and promised to pay Chris Pitman for services rendered ... down the road when he was more flush ... according to the docs. In the suit, he says that amount was supposed to be paid by Oct. 2012."
If Pitman's monthly pay was still around $7k, the debt would've suggested a year and a half of work. They could've agreed to a year-long IOU, meaning the deal was struck around Oct. 2011, before the tour. Pitman's engineering work may have begun in 2009, given the amount of touring in between.
"Another person who’s partied with Rose [in Feb 2010] says he’s working on a new album after last year’s disappointing “Chinese Democracy” — the first Guns N’ Roses studio album in 15 years — and has something to prove."
"We have what I call kind of the second half of Chinese. That’s already recorded. And then we have a remix album made of the songs from Chinese. That’s been done for a while, too." - Axl, 2014
It all points to Axl and Pitman messing about with the CD2 songs in between tour legs around 2009-11. This was when virtually every other band member talked about writing songs and working on stuff. In late 2014, Axl seemed to take on newer material, recording vocals (according to Fortus) and co-tweeting from the studio w/ Pitman.
Therefore, we could make a case that Slash killed CD2. 


