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#21 Re: Guns N' Roses » Fernando's link to leaks? And the craziness that is gnr » 828 weeks ago
I guess they way we look at lighting a fire under someones ass is different. My view is that Axl has a ass, and the fire was the leaks,which equaled into the fire being put to his ass which meant that he felt the heat from the leaks,which in turn he was forced to release the album.
Im looking at it lighting a fire under his ass in a small scope than you are, Im not saying that it made him get out and promote,tour..work on new material because obviously NONE of that happened. But it did a light a fire as far as the album being released.
This has to be a record for how many times fire to an ass has been mentioned in a thread. lol.
#22 Re: Guns N' Roses » Fernando's link to leaks? And the craziness that is gnr » 828 weeks ago
The leaks didn't light a fire unde his ass. It's fairly obvious that he didn't want the album released when it was. He just gave them the songs that leaked plus a couple other clunkers so they'd leave him alone.
In my above posts Ive said the same exact thing. So it did light a fire under his ass...When we had low quality unfinished leaks, he didnt release shit, but when we got basically finished songs we got the album. And you can tell that it was nowhere close to being released as the booklet was all fucked up, and Axl himself said they had to rush to get it out which is why there were so many typos, and it wasnt how he wanted it but again they had to rush to get it out.
#23 Re: Guns N' Roses » Fernando's link to leaks? And the craziness that is gnr » 828 weeks ago
ronartest2004 wrote:gnfnraxl wrote:Holy crap! I'm about to defend Fernando. Not his fault. It's technically not even Axl's fault. If I remember correctly there is room for only one more song on CD. So it's Axl's fault there is only 14 songs cause he was too chicken to add one more song. But 16 or 17. Just didn't fit.
I highly doubt Fernando ever got a disc of new gnr material and uploaded it to the internet, what good what that do for him?. But it has been proven by MSL that the first leaks he got from the guys in "fake spain" as he called it did in fact originate from Fernando. I cant blame Fernando, if I worked around Axl and had heard how great the new music was and my friends wanted to hear it, I would probably give at least one of them a disc, and people being who they are I know that if someone approached one of my friends and said "Hey ill give you something you really,really want for a couple of those songs" they would probably say "hell yeah".
Now as far as there only being 14 songs because Axl was too chicken,no.
I have always thought as ive said above the only reason we ever got CD was because of the leaks, and im a strong believer that if we wouldve gotten studio quality tracks of "the general,atlas shrugged, ides of march, silkworms...etc..." we wouldve had a very different looking CD, And I think we would be talking about the unheard songs such as TIL and Sorry. Maybe my theory is fucked, who knows. But thats just my strong feeling.You pretty much confirmed Axl's a chicken. *lol* You said it. Only reason we got CD is because of the leaks. If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck and walks like a duck well it certainly isn't a horse. There was room for one more song on that record and an album that took this long to get out there is no reason to not have 80 minutes or really close to 80 minutes of music. But again. 16 or 17 songs was impossible.
Just because the leaks lit a fire under Axls ass doesnt mean he was chicken, it means that people who have dealt with Axl knew that it would take something that was out of his hands to make him finally sign off on the album being put out. But I simply think it was good business, if I only have a certain amount of something (with Axl it being songs), Am I going to give people what they want (the general,atlas,ides..etc) and whenever I decide to release more material say to my fans "Hey remember those songs however many years ago that got leaked to the internet...well all of them are on my new album", Whereas yes he did do that with this album, but he has something to fall back on with the tracks we have not heard yet.
The way I look at it is...Say if a bunch of people start throwing $100 bills off a building,and I dont it. Am I a chicken?, Or not?.
Its the same damn thing as a drug dealer, you give someone a taste, get them hooked and keep em coming back.
#24 Re: Guns N' Roses » Fernando's link to leaks? And the craziness that is gnr » 828 weeks ago
2008 Intentions wrote:---when my friends heard some of the songs, all they do is praise. "Catcher In The Rye" "The Blues", "Chinese Democracy" is all wonderful.
Thanks Fernando, its your fault, now we dont have chidem with 16 or 17 songs
Holy crap! I'm about to defend Fernando. Not his fault. It's technically not even Axl's fault. If I remember correctly there is room for only one more song on CD. So it's Axl's fault there is only 14 songs cause he was too chicken to add one more song. But 16 or 17. Just didn't fit.
I highly doubt Fernando ever got a disc of new gnr material and uploaded it to the internet, what good what that do for him?. But it has been proven by MSL that the first leaks he got from the guys in "fake spain" as he called it did in fact originate from Fernando. I cant blame Fernando, if I worked around Axl and had heard how great the new music was and my friends wanted to hear it, I would probably give at least one of them a disc, and people being who they are I know that if someone approached one of my friends and said "Hey ill give you something you really,really want for a couple of those songs" they would probably say "hell yeah".
Now as far as there only being 14 songs because Axl was too chicken,no.
I have always thought as ive said above the only reason we ever got CD was because of the leaks, and im a strong believer that if we wouldve gotten studio quality tracks of "the general,atlas shrugged, ides of march, silkworms...etc..." we wouldve had a very different looking CD, And I think we would be talking about the unheard songs such as TIL and Sorry. Maybe my theory is fucked, who knows. But thats just my strong feeling.
#25 Re: Guns N' Roses » Fernando's link to leaks? And the craziness that is gnr » 828 weeks ago
there is no "aura" to anything anymore as that ship has sailed with the release of the album.....Axl has some songs we haven't heard and that is it. Every normal person realizes that any unheard stuff is likely similar to Chinese. Some people just want to hear it more than others.
Thats kinda what I was getting at in the end of my previous post, the aura is quickly dissapearing...Its really kinda sad actually, because most people on the gnr boards are expressing the same sentiment, which is simply "If something leaks, ill download it...If a tour happens, ill check it out..If an album comes out, ill buy it...But im not going to dedicate my time/life to a group that doesnt really exist right now"
There is no more aura....People have grown tired, and I never thought id say this, but I see why Slash has said and acted the way he has when it comes to axl/gnr. And ive never met Axl, but just seeing how he operates...Its tiresome.
#26 Re: Guns N' Roses » Fernando's link to leaks? And the craziness that is gnr » 828 weeks ago
madagas wrote:no idea what you were getting at with that post.
Yeah, me neither.
We don't know shit.
What im saying is... If the general,thyme,atlas,ides of march,and seven leaked, they wouldve been on the album. And yes we wouldve still had filler on the album...which the overwhelming vote is that the biggest filler track was "scraped".
But since those songs didnt leak, and now there is a mystical type of aura around these songs Axl decided to hold them back (maybe for a new album, or maybe forever,just so people will always wonder)...Well not always wonder...Maybe for a few years, then once its clear the wont be released people will give up.
Which more and more lately you see alotta people washing their hands clean of gnr.
#27 Re: Guns N' Roses » Vince Neil: "Axl Rose Let His Fans Down" » 828 weeks ago
I agree with Vince... Axl really kinda screwed himself...and he did it well before this year....the last year when things were all set up for him to make a name for himself (with the younger gen) was 2006. End 2006,no album,no axl...End gnr.
Im glad that someone can speak the truth about it.
#28 Re: Guns N' Roses » Fernando's link to leaks? And the craziness that is gnr » 828 weeks ago
And there it is....I do agree with you Neemo, CD is an album of leaks,with a couple throw in tracks. The heat was on Axl/Record co to get something out once those 9 tracks hit the net, So thats why the booklet has so many typos, and why Axl said he wants to redo the booklet.
Id put a 100 bucks on if "thyme, ideas of march, the general and atlas shrugged" wouldve been leaked, those tracks would have been on the album.
But then we may not of got "scraped, sorry, and TIL". So its a catch-22, im glad we got sorry and til...i could give 2 shits about scraped.
Somebody on the inside knew what to do to finally get this album out...Axl showed his weakness by getting mad when tracks would leak...same with fernando, and some capitolized on that...Thank god they did or we would still be hearing Axl on a random radio station blabbing on about "well, we were gonna release it a few months ago, but monstrosities of overwhelming circumstance and various venomious laywers, with such ignorance about time lines within the level of accusations caused it to be delayed......But expect it out by winter!".
#29 Re: Guns N' Roses » Fernando's link to leaks? And the craziness that is gnr » 828 weeks ago
Interesting. The only thing is, didn't Axl confirm that "Seven" & "Thyme" were fake titles.
"If" was probably a shortened title for "If The World". The glaring omission there, is having Sorry as a closer, when Prostitute is a MUCH better closer.
He said that every song has a "working title"...so im sure they are real songs, he probably just changed the titles of them. And that Marco guy said he worked on songs titled "Seven" and "Thyme", but thats been 5 years ago. But I think that sorry is kinda a good outro...the big middle finger to slash (or whoever else)...with Axl riding off into the sunset.
#30 Re: Guns N' Roses » Fernando's link to leaks? And the craziness that is gnr » 828 weeks ago
I do think that 90% of the leaks could be traced back to Fernando, and Axl knows that. And the more recent leaks im sure can be traced back to some record company insider.
Im sure that Fernando will never drop the ball again by letting a close circle of friends have rare tracks anymore. Whenever leaks would be close to hitting, Fernando would ALWAYS re-appear flooding message boards, doing whatever he could to try to detract the leaks from happening. But at some point if I were him, id just hope for whatever else it out there to leak so it would be done and over with. I know that he doesnt live his life checking message boards seeing if anything he leaked to his friends ends up leaking to the general public, but I know that he freaks whenever something new leaks.
But we all seem to forget that the only confirmed person to have had "checkmate aka the general" was an ex-employee's kid of the 99 cd sessions and he was ordered to return that track. So even Fernandos friends may not have that track, which reguardless of the "atlas shrugged, oklahoma...etc" 99% of people want the general, which there is a good chance isnt even in "our" hands anymore...our meaning the public (be it a small group of hoarders)...but thats closer than it being in Axls hands.