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#4591 Re: The Garden » The Right to Bear Arms » 917 weeks ago

Jameslofton wrote:
bigbri wrote:

James, I appreciate your point, but you can run away from someone who has a knife. Try running away from a bullet. Not gonna happen. When is the last mass killing by a knife-wielding criminal anyhow?

A couple years ago, a psycho killed a shitload of school kids with a knife(I think it was in New Zealand, could be wrong). He killed more people with his knife than was killed in this mall massacre.

My point is this: If you want to kill someone bad enough, you will kill them. It doesn't matter what the weapon of choice is. If I were a psycho and wanted to kill some family, they're dead.

Also, you can run from someone with a gun. The further away you are, the less likely you'll be hit. Being a moving target increases your chances as well.

There are just too many examples of people being killed by so many other things besides guns for me to ever consider outlawing guns. I'll outlaw knives first because in many instances, more damage can be done with one.

I'm not trying to sound like an "internet tough guy", but if I walked into a room full of five people, I could most definitely kill them(or at least most of them) quickly with a knife. If I walked in with a gun, there's a bigger chance of survival for them. People run quickly at the sound of a gunshot. Your "prey" spreads out. Decimate the crowd with a frenzied knife attack, and most of them are already bleeding to death before their mind can comprehend the severity of the situation.

A couple years ago, you're right. That's about the most recent example. Mass gun killings happen every few weeks.

And, really, you think you can kill more quickly with a knife than a gun? I can't argue against that. You'd have to be pretty quick and strong, I guess. If I have a machine gun, I'd figure I could kill more a lot quicker.

As I said, I don't argue outlawing all guns.

#4592 Re: The Garden » The Right to Bear Arms » 917 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:
Communist China wrote:

If the arm you have the right to bear is a musket, fine. I understand that it's tough to accept now, and I think more restrictions should be placed on gun liscences. But attacking the 2nd amendment right now is not a way to get the country together, and lack of unity is our biggest problem. Has been since Jacksonian Democracy took root.

So then the internet, radio and television aren't protected forms of speech because they didn't exist at the time?  The Musket was the most advanced firearm existent - it also served as the best form of defense.  If the medium in which ideas are discussed has evolved and is still protected, why wouldn't that same standard apply to firearms?

Honestly how many of you are even familiar with firearms?  And by familiar I mean understand how they operate, how held one and even fired one?  For most people a gun is this foreign object that holds almost mythical status.  If someone was teaching a class on Math, don't you think they should at least know a thing or two about the subject?  If the media is this biased entity that feeds us lies or half truths, why would you all of a sudden by into their horror stories about firearms?

Big Bri. By taking responsibility for our actions we don't blame the system or others for our decisions.  We don't let people out of jail because we feel they were dealt a bad hand.  If you accept responsibility for yourself, you're not dependent on others to provide your security and protection.  While Police are great at what they do, they always come after the crime, rarely during. 

The background check system we have in place is great.  I even agree to preventing those found mentally unstable to be added to the list.  But why should a law abiding American with no criminal or mental history be prohibited from buying a firearm?  Just because a firearm could be used to harm someone doesn't mean it will.  Much more car accidents occur than gun violence, but we don't ban cars. 

For those that advocate we outlaw firearms, simply look at what has happened to the property crime rates in both England and Austrailia after their gun grabs.  Only when Bush instituted stiffer penalties and prosecution of gun offenders did crime come down.

Just because you're scared and don't understand something doesn't mean you should try to make it go away.

First off, yes, I've fired a gun. I've held more than one gun. I've had a gun pulled on me, so I'm very familiar with them.

As for taking responsibility for my actions, yes, I do. I chose to protect my family by educating them, alarming our house and making sure my kids know how to dial 911. Sorry, I'm not gonna take control of my home's security by having a gun around. I know, as I'm sure you do, that most of the time, when a homeowner tries to use a gun to defend themselves, they end up shot themselves. Or, their kids get their hands on it and kill themselves. The statistics back me up. You've heard them, we all have. So you say, "Lock your gun." Ok, how is my locked gun in my closet where my kids can't reach it gonna help when someone barges into my house. Answer? It won't.

I don't advocate outlawing all firearms. Assault rifles, there's no need for them. Don't try to sway my opinion on this. A gun that can fire hundreds of rounds in short order is simply not needed. Not for hunting, not for anything. There should be much more thorough background checks. Punishment for people with guns should be much stiffer; fines incredibly higher. You're right, punishment is a deterrant. But not enough apparently.

Your comparison of guns vs. cars is nonsensical. Cars weren't designed specifically to kill. Guns were.

As for your claim of crime going down. It's actually going up. But it has nothing to do with firearm availability. Crime always goes up when the economic state of the country declines. People are desperate for any way to get ahead, and they turn to robbing, assaulting, etc.

#4593 Re: The Garden » The Right to Bear Arms » 917 weeks ago

bigbri wrote:

James, I appreciate your point, but you can run away from someone who has a knife. Try running away from a bullet. Not gonna happen. When is the last mass killing by a knife-wielding criminal anyhow? And CC has a great point. The only "arms" when the the right to bear arms was around were muskets: Hardly the mass-killing assault rifles or quick-action shotguns or concealable handguns we have now.

And, Mr. Flagg, I do take responsibility for my own actions.  How does that apply to gun laws? It doesn't.

What happened? Oh well, quoted myself.

#4594 Re: The Garden » The Right to Bear Arms » 917 weeks ago

James, I appreciate your point, but you can run away from someone who has a knife. Try running away from a bullet. Not gonna happen. When is the last mass killing by a knife-wielding criminal anyhow? And CC has a great point. The only "arms" when the the right to bear arms was around were muskets: Hardly the mass-killing assault rifles or quick-action shotguns or concealable handguns we have now.

And, Mr. Flagg, I do take responsibility for my own actions.  How does that apply to gun laws? It doesn't.

#4595 Re: The Sunset Strip » Journey Discussion (Film about newest singer coming) » 917 weeks ago

Backslash wrote:

After seeing/hearing Steve Perry on TV when the White Sox won the world series, I'm happy he's not in Journey anymore.  Unless he gets some singing lessons, they'll never take him back.  This band was amazing when he was in front, and he was one of AOR's premier voices.  Doesn't sound like he's been practicing over the years though.

That was here in Chicago, and, give him a break, it was about 30 degrees that day, he was on a PA system, not a concert system, no monitor, anything.

And, he's the one that left the band, so taking him back is a moot point. He doesn't want to be in the band.

Anyway, you can find this new guy on YouTube, and he sounds EXACTLY like Steve Perry. It's freakin' weird. I'm a huge Journey fan, by the way. I'll just admit that right now.

#4596 Re: The Garden » The Right to Bear Arms » 917 weeks ago

The right to bear arms is an antiquated right that was written specifically to address issues of the time, of a government that could come down on its own. That's not gonna happen now.

#4598 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Is VR Over? (Poll) » 917 weeks ago

It's been inevitable since most of the record-buying public ignored Liberetard and most who did buy it disliked it. This lastest incident just cements it.

#4599 Re: The Garden » Post Your Pic Thread - Let's see what you look like! » 917 weeks ago

Sorry these suckers are so big.

Me and the family at the zoo this summer.
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Elliot's Halloween robot costume that we made.  He won first in the neighborhood contest.
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The girls (Elise left, Mira right) were witches. They still are, but that's another story.
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And, Elliot falls asleep with his Santa hat on a couple weeks ago.
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#4600 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » What Next?? » 917 weeks ago

Jimmy Zig Zag Bobiadis wrote:
bigbri wrote:
Jimmy Zig Zag Bobiadis wrote:

Slash needs to return to his roots, and they need to drop Matt Sorum.

I found this funny. Slash return to his roots? He's been playing the same thing for 20 years! Matt definitely needs to go, you're absolutely correct there. In fact, I wouldn't mind if I never hear or see anything from him again.

agreed on Matt smile

As for Slash, I agree he's been pretty much doing the same thing.. but for whatever reason, he's not doing what he does best in VR.   Nothing outside of maybe Messages and the Slither solo sound like someting I would expect from Slash.

He definitely was underplayed a bit, but I think that's just because of the general disdain for guitar solos in the current musical landscape.

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