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Miguelox26
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Re: Hardschool single coming September 24th.

Miguelox26 wrote:

Todas las sesiones village y posterior disco eran canciones con ritmos de bateria muy protagonistas,de echo cabalgaban sobre la bateria y no por los riff de guitarra,las guitarras eran lineas y solos que hiban entrando,axl esta alimentando a los cerdos,artisticamente ya se revindico con chinese y mirar como salio y la opinion que se tiene de el!.pensaron que slash o duff hiban a mejorar algo?...ni de coña,no tienen ese puto talento artistico,por separado han echo musica roquerilla pero de postal!....chinese democracy demuestra donde estaba el puto arte y la discografica le importaba una mierda las aspiraciones artisticas de new guns.....fink,bucket,stinson,josh y el puto pelirrojo loco daban sentido a ese material!

Blackstar
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Re: Hardschool single coming September 24th.

Blackstar wrote:
Vale wrote:
monkeychow wrote:
Sky Dog wrote:

Still adding and deleting layers in 2021. You can’t make this shit up. 4



But I'm glad we're getting the left over tracks with Slash and Duff...but it does sound like the plan is they just mute the original bass/guitar lines and over dub slash - which is a shame cos songs like Atlas and so on would be awesome but need a rearrangement IMO.

I agree, better this way than none of the stuff. Releasing it this way might also open the possibilities for a Chinese Boxset one day in 2050 with the original players...

Regarding the rearrangement of the songs: Let us not forget that even the Finck/Stinson/Buckethead band could have still rearranged theses recordings from the version we heard. Just look at Silkworms..thanks to the Bumblefoot version we know the structure had been changed before Slash & Duff came on board. And the same thing could have happened with Hard Skool. Maybe the section after the first chorus that was new to us now wasn't something Slash & Duff brought to the table, but was already there with Robin/Bucket or at least with Bumble/DJ... Also in terms of complete vocal tracks, I think we're down to Atlas and Perhaps. By putting vocals on some of the other tracks the song structures could easily have been rearranged by 2004/2006/2008

I think the drums may be a giveaway on whether the arrangement is new or not.

On Hard Skool, even though the structure hasn't changed radically compared to the Village demo, the arrangement is quite different, so they couldn't have kept Josh Freese's drums. And the fact that they didn't use Brain's drum track from a presumed post-Village version either (like they did on Absurd), indicates that the arrangement of the Slash/Duff version is new.

Vale
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Re: Hardschool single coming September 24th.

Vale wrote:
Blackstar wrote:
Vale wrote:

Regarding the rearrangement of the songs: Let us not forget that even the Finck/Stinson/Buckethead band could have still rearranged theses recordings from the version we heard. Just look at Silkworms..thanks to the Bumblefoot version we know the structure had been changed before Slash & Duff came on board. And the same thing could have happened with Hard Skool. Maybe the section after the first chorus that was new to us now wasn't something Slash & Duff brought to the table, but was already there with Robin/Bucket or at least with Bumble/DJ... Also in terms of complete vocal tracks, I think we're down to Atlas and Perhaps. By putting vocals on some of the other tracks the song structures could easily have been rearranged by 2004/2006/2008

I think the drums may be a giveaway on whether the arrangement is new or not.

On Hard Skool, even though the structure hasn't changed radically compared to the Village demo, the arrangement is quite different, so they couldn't have kept Josh Freese's drums. And the fact that they didn't use Brain's drum track from a presumed post-Village version either (like they did on Absurd), indicates that the arrangement of the Slash/Duff version is new.

Good call! That could indeed be a major hint..

James
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Re: Hardschool single coming September 24th.

James wrote:

It's such a bizarre way to record an album.

How many times in history has it happened?

The few examples I know of are songs such as Nat King Cole's vocals being added into his daughters covers.

Of course a modern example although not finished of course is Soundgarden creating music around Cornell's vocals for what will be their final album.

Even that isn't exactly the same as they're not taking finished songs and reworking the music. They'll be using vocal takes from a handful of Soundgarden and Cornell songs and finishing them.

It just blows my mind that not even a single line is a new vocal take. If you need something not in the song, you gotta grab it from an already existing song and squeeze it in.

There is no other album like Chinese Democracy...and its follow-up looks to be taking a similar road.

elevendayempire
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Re: Hardschool single coming September 24th.

Queen's Made in Heaven?

polluxlm
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Re: Hardschool single coming September 24th.

polluxlm wrote:

Not an unusual process, if the artist is dead...

Maybe he feels he doesn't have anything left in the tank. At least not that will be worth while compared to the stuff he made as a late 30s something. On the plus side it shows he still cares and isn't willing to release something subpar just for the sake of it.

Scabbie
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Re: Hardschool single coming September 24th.

Scabbie wrote:

For all we know he could be writing lyrics for new songs and has moved on. You just don’t know with axl

Miguelox26
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Re: Hardschool single coming September 24th.

Miguelox26 wrote:

Se dijo en el pasado que chinese el disco era su vida que habia invertido todo en el!....por que hiba a tirarlo por la borda?la discografica y agentes no han podido,si frenarlo y desilucionarlo pero no desechar la obra!....reunion con duff y slash aire nuevo y......casualidad absurd primer single?este juego del tiempo artistico lo maneja axl!....hard skool y ahora esta si es una cancion guns?....cuestion de tiempo para que los mismos que le dijeron eso no suena a guns,chinese no es un disco legitimo,produccion,sonido y los guitarras imitando a slash! A tomar por culo, esta batalla es de axl y la va ganando por k.o.....por cierto...misma obra....axlstyle!.....p.d....mucho productor y tecnico de sonido hay por aqui!

polluxlm
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Re: Hardschool single coming September 24th.

polluxlm wrote:
Miguelox26 wrote:

Se dijo en el pasado que chinese el disco era su vida que habia invertido todo en el!....por que hiba a tirarlo por la borda?la discografica y agentes no han podido,si frenarlo y desilucionarlo pero no desechar la obra!....reunion con duff y slash aire nuevo y......casualidad absurd primer single?este juego del tiempo artistico lo maneja axl!....hard skool y ahora esta si es una cancion guns?....cuestion de tiempo para que los mismos que le dijeron eso no suena a guns,chinese no es un disco legitimo,produccion,sonido y los guitarras imitando a slash! A tomar por culo, esta batalla es de axl y la va ganando por k.o.....por cierto...misma obra....axlstyle!.....p.d....mucho productor y tecnico de sonido hay por aqui!

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Miguelox26
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Re: Hardschool single coming September 24th.

Miguelox26 wrote:

Sorry!

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