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Re: Listen to the fascist sing...
polluxlm wrote:Blog by Erla Ósk Arnardóttir Lillendahl
During the last twenty-four hours I have probably experienced the greatest humiliation to which I have ever been subjected. During these last twenty-four hours I have been handcuffed and chained, denied the chance to sleep, been without food and drink and been confined to a place without anyone knowing my whereabouts, imprisoned. Now I am beginning to try to understand all this, rest and review the events which began as innocently as possible.
Last Sunday I and a few other girls began our trip to New York. We were going to shop and enjoy the Christmas spirit. We made ourselves comfortable on first class, drank white wine and looked forward to go shopping, eat good food and enjoy life. When we landed at JFK airport the traditional clearance process began. We were screened and went on to passport control. As I waited for them to finish examining my passport I heard an official say that there was something which needed to be looked at more closely and I was directed to the work station of Homeland Security. There I was told that according to their records I had overstayed my visa by 3 weeks in 1995. For this reason I would not be admitted to the country and would be sent home on the next flight. I looked at the official in disbelief and told him that I had in fact visited New York after the trip in 1995 without encountering any difficulties. A detailed interrogation session ensued. I was photographed and fingerprinted. I was asked questions which I felt had nothing to do with the issue at hand. I was forbidden to contact anyone to advise of my predicament and although I was invited at the outset to contact the Icelandic consul or embassy, that invitation was later withdrawn. I don't know why. I was then made to wait while they sought further information, and sat on a chair before the authority for 5 hours. I saw the officials in this section handle other cases and it was clear that these were men anxious to demonstrate their power. Small kings with megalomania. I was careful to remain completely cooperative, for I did not yet believe that they planned to deport me because of my "crime". When 5 hours had passed and I had been awake for 24 hours, I was told that they were waiting for officials who would take me to a kind of waiting room. There I would be given a bed to rest in, some food and I would be searched. What they thought they might find I cannot possibly imagine. Finally guards appeared who transported me to the new place. I saw the bed as if in a mirage, for I was absolutely exhausted. What turned out was something else. I was taken to another office exactly like the one where I had been before and once again a long wait ensued. In all, it turned out to be 5 hours. At this office all my things were taken from me. I succeeded in sending a single sms to worried relatives and friends when I was granted a bathroom break. After that the cell phone was taken from me. After I had been sitting for 5 hours I was told that they were now waiting for guards who would take me to a place where I could rest and eat. Then I was placed in a cubicle which looked like an operating room. Attached to the walls were 4 steel plates, probably intended to serve as bed and a toilet. I was exhausted, tired and hungry. I didn't understand the officials' conduct, for they were treating me like a very dangerous criminal. Soon thereafter I was removed from the cubicle and two armed guards placed me up against a wall. A chain was fastened around my waist and I was handcuffed to the chain. Then my legs were placed in chains. I asked for permission to make a telephone call but they refused. So secured, I was taken from the airport terminal in full sight of everybody. I have seldom felt so bad, so humiliated and all because I had taken a longer vacation than allowed under the law.
They would not tell me where they were taking me. The trip took close to one hour and although I couldn't see clearly outside the vehicle I knew that we had crossed over into New Jersey. We ended up in front of a jail. I could hardly believe that this was happening. Was I really about to be jailed? I was led inside in the chains and there yet another interrogation session ensued. I was fingerprinted once again and photographed. I was made to undergo a medical examination, I was searched and then I was placed in a jail cell. I was asked absurd questions such as: When did you have your last period? What do you believe in? Have you ever tried to commit suicide?
I was completely exhausted, tired and cold. Fourteen hours after I had landed I had something to eat and drink for the first time. I was given porridge and bread. But it did not help much. I was afraid and the attitude of all who handled me was abysmal to say the least. They did not speak to me as much as snap at me. Once again I asked to make a telephone call and this time the answer was positive. I was relieved but the relief was short-lived. For the telephone was set up for collect calls only and it was not possible to make overseas calls. The jailguard held my cell phone in his hand. I explained to him that I could not make a call from the jail telephone and asked to be allowed to make one call from my own phone. That was out of the question. I spent the next 9 hours in a small, dirty cell. The only thing in there was a narrow steel board which extended out from the wall, a sink and toilet. I wish I never experience again in my life the feeling of confinement and helplessness which I experienced there.
I was hugely relieved when, at last, I was told that I was to be taken to the airport, that is to say until I was again handcuffed and chained.Then I could take no more and broke down and cried. I begged them at least to leave out the leg chains but my request was ignored. When we arrived at the airport, another jail guard took pity on me and removed the leg chains. Even so I was led through a full airport terminal handcuffed and escorted by armed men. I felt terrible. On seeing this, people must think that there goes a very dangerous criminal. In this condition I was led up into the Icelandair waiting room, and was kept handcuffed until I entered the embarkation corridor. I was completely run down by all this in both body and spirit. Fortunately I could count on good people and both Einar (the captain) and the crew did all which they could to try to assist me. My friend Auður was in close contact with my sister and the consul and embassy had been contacted. However, all had received misleading information and all had been told that I had been detained at the airport terminal, not that I had been put in jail. Now the Foreign Ministry is looking into the matter and I hope to receive some explanation why I was treated this way.
Terrorist?
- Randall Flagg
- Rep: 139
Re: Listen to the fascist sing...
Bullshit. This is a spoiled brat who ignored America's laws and thought there would be no repercussion. While she probably posed no threat, you liberals wouls throw a fit if we focused on the only ethnicity to committ terrorist attacks. Proper procedure was followed. She doesn't have a right to come to America. She wasn't beaten or tortured. Just because she chose to stay awake for 24 hours before coming here doesn't mean the US has to provide her with a place to sleep immediately.
I'm so fucking tired of people yelling fascist everytime someone who broke the law is detained. She wasn't tortured or harmed. The fucking morons at HTGTH are having a field day with this but are demonstrating their lack of basic reading comprehension and common sense.
What should have customs done? Said "Hey, you broke your visa and disregarded the laws of our land, but FUCK IT! Welcome to America and feel free to violate our laws again if you want. " The first time something goes wrong, the sheep will scream why didn't we do something. Shit, how many idiots point blame at Bush because he didn't jump up and start screaming in front of some children when he learned the first plane hit.
Get a grip, put down the drugs and start living in the real world. They're not out to get you and there are no boogeymen. The Freemasons don't rule the world and the CIA doesn't care what bullshit some blogger posts on you tube. It's sad that people's lives are so boring and devoid of any meaning that they have to make up shit like this so they can delude themselves into thinking only they see the real truth.
/endrant
Re: Listen to the fascist sing...
polluxlm wrote:Bullshit.
What is?
This is a spoiled brat who ignored America's laws and thought there would be no repercussion.
I don't agree with the choice of words, but yeah.
While she probably posed no threat, you liberals wouls throw a fit if we focused on the only ethnicity to committ terrorist attacks.
Some probably would, whomever they are. I get it, you don't like liberals. What's your point?
Proper procedure was followed. She doesn't have a right to come to America. She wasn't beaten or tortured. Just because she chose to stay awake for 24 hours before coming here doesn't mean the US has to provide her with a place to sleep immediately.
That's the thing, that it's actually proper procedure. You don't see a problem with a tourist carrying a misdemeanor being treated like a hardened criminal?
I'm so fucking tired of people yelling fascist everytime someone who broke the law is detained. She wasn't tortured or harmed. The fucking morons at HTGTH are having a field day with this but are demonstrating their lack of basic reading comprehension and common sense.
Her treatment was in unfair proportion to her actions, imo. There's a reason the justice system doesn't just hand out the same penalty to everyone.
What should have customs done? Said "Hey, you broke your visa and disregarded the laws of our land, but FUCK IT! Welcome to America and feel free to violate our laws again if you want. " The first time something goes wrong, the sheep will scream why didn't we do something. Shit, how many idiots point blame at Bush because he didn't jump up and start screaming in front of some children when he learned the first plane hit.
They could treat her like a human being. Customs want her out of the country? Fine, no problem. But there's no need for handcuffs, jail, harsh responses, isolation, hour long interrogations and a lot of other mean bullshit.
Get a grip, put down the drugs and start living in the real world. They're not out to get you and there are no boogeymen. The Freemasons don't rule the world and the CIA doesn't care what bullshit some blogger posts on you tube. It's sad that people's lives are so boring and devoid of any meaning that they have to make up shit like this so they can delude themselves into thinking only they see the real truth.
/endrant
What is this supposed to be?
- Randall Flagg
- Rep: 139
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How was she not treated with respect? She was in violation of the law and was placed in restraints. I don't care if she felt embarassed. She was only in restraints when she was in a public area. This all of course assumes her story is 100% factual and she isn't distorting reality like a spoiled Paris Hilton seeking attention.
The law is designed so all people are treated the same and don't receive special treatment based on appearance and status. Next time she will honor the visa the US gave her when she comes here on 1st class.
edit: you know what my last paragraph means. You have an obsession with stories that lack strong factual basis and rely heavily on circumstancial or "hidden" evidence. Some people who have that trait are known as schizophrenic. I'm not saying you are, but your beliefs and statements are often similar to those declared mentally unfit.
Re: Listen to the fascist sing...
I know that here in the UK airport security has never been tighter, though it is still a long way from being the standard that it should be.
She mentions having visited USA post-1995 without having any issues but presuming this trip was pre-9/11 they probably felt she posed no threat. Given the increase in airport security post-9/11 I'm not surprised by this at all. Whilst they may have treated her unfairly and caused her a little embarrassment I would rather have confidence in my nations security, knowing that anyone with a mark on the record is fully interrogated.
... your beliefs and statements are often similar to those declared mentally unfit.
That was uncalled for i.m.o
- Randall Flagg
- Rep: 139
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I disagree. Polluxm is well known for outrageous claims. Claiming that the Masons have destroyed civilization multiple times to make us start from scratch and that we come from mars immediately comes to mind. While I don't know him from Adam and am certainly not qualified to judge his mental state, his beliefs echo the statements of those in sanitariums.
He and the like do a disservice to the millions killed under true fascist, authoritarian regimes when they equate a woman being detained for a few hours to being sent to death camps and tortured. America welcomes all law abiding visitors and is a beacon for freedom in the world. I refuse to take anyone serious who claims otherwise, ecspecially when they rely on fantasy to support their claims.
Re: Listen to the fascist sing...
polluxlm wrote:How was she not treated with respect?
You gotta be kidding...at least I hope so.
She was in violation of the law and was placed in restraints. I don't care if she felt embarassed. She was only in restraints when she was in a public area. This all of course assumes her story is 100% factual and she isn't distorting reality like a spoiled Paris Hilton seeking attention.
Then again, perhaps you're not.
That's a dishonest simplification of the situation.
The law is designed so all people are treated the same and don't receive special treatment based on appearance and status. Next time she will honor the visa the US gave her when she comes here on 1st class.
Well, she did receive 'special' treatment in that she was treated more like a terrorist than just another careless citizen. I'm sure you would be pissed too if you were treated like that for all your daily 'crimes'. You know, walking on red, speeding, taking a leak on the road.
I doubt she'll attempt another trip.
edit: you know what my last paragraph means. You have an obsession with stories that lack strong factual basis and rely heavily on circumstancial or "hidden" evidence. Some people who have that trait are known as schizophrenic. I'm not saying you are, but your beliefs and statements are often similar to those declared mentally unfit.
I know what you meant, that is why I called you out on it. I'm happy to have a constructive debate, but clearly you're more interested in projecting general opinions and low self esteem. If you ever have a change of heart I'm happy to oblige, but until then you can jolly fuck off.
^As for your second post, get a life dude.
- Randall Flagg
- Rep: 139
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I'm more than glad to carry on an intelligent conversation with anyone. I fail to see a problem with refusing to admit people to our country who have no respect for our laws. It's not like she was a day or two late. She was three weeks late. Had it been important, she could have gotten an extention. That obviously is not the case.
The woman was investigated. Forgive me if I don't feel sorry that the airline didn't drop everything they were doing to expedite her release. She is not a citizen of the US and isn't protected under the constitution. If I were to overstay my visa in Iceland, I would not expect to be treated kindly when I returned with no effort to correct the mark on my passport.
You're making a mountain out of an ant hill here. This woman's complaint is that they didn't provide her with a four star hotel room and placed her in restraints as all possible threats would be treated. If they didn't shackle her, the ACLU would scream when the next Mohammed with C4 in his shoes was (yes, I know it's an exaggeration). Do I think her being detained and searched was necessary, of course not. But racial profiling is not PC so everyone gets equal treatment. She's not upset that she stayed in a room for a few hours. She's upset because someone knocked her off her pedestal.
- Randall Flagg
- Rep: 139
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And do you deny that that you've claimed the Masons/Illuminati have destroyed our civilization multiple times?
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polluxlm wrote:This woman's complaint is that she was treated in unfair proportion to her 'crime'. It's not a secret that some airport and customs official like to overstep their bounds, the stories are everywhere. I've encountered them myself, so I know this is a general problem.
A reasonable approach would be to just say "look, you extended your visa and because of that we can't accept you in this country. We're really sorry. Please come with us while we do a routine check."
Now we all know it takes a matter of minutes to check out if a person has the connections where this kind of treatment is acceptable. She could be held in an airport detention facility, be offered something to drink etc. You know, how normal people are supposed to be treated if they've fucked up a little.
But letting here wait around for hours, going through ridiculous interrogations, multiple times and being transported to something that looks like a maximum security facility with no practical possibility to contact anyone. That's the bullshit, and I call it fascism.
And do you deny that that you've claimed the Masons/Illuminati have destroyed our civilization multiple times?
I have never claimed such a thing. You're welcome to prove me wrong.
And even if I did, that has no relevance what so ever to this discussion.
