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Scabbie
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Re: Slash casually refers to a new GNR record in a vague non committal way

Scabbie wrote:

I’d have a lot more respect for them if they  were more transparent. I don’t think the media gives enough of a shit about them to discredit, print mistruths or build unrealistic expectations. If they were honest enough to say ‘we tried writing, it’s not working’ but we want to be able to play live I’d be cool with that. Too old to care now.

A track I have really enjoyed recently is Greta Van Fleet’s ‘Age of Machine’. I enjoyed their first EP, not so much the album, but this track really worked for me - the band sounds incredibly tight and clearly have invested a lot of time in both song writing and playing together (they are all brothers except the drummer mind). This and seeing some of the covers musicians from DIFFERENT bands have done online recently has really changed my view of GNR.

Furbush
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Re: Slash casually refers to a new GNR record in a vague non committal way

Furbush wrote:

The Zoot leak was the best/worst thing to happen to in terms of Guns. It’s all there. The 3 disc version of CD would have been incredible. Sooo much stuff was no longer theoretical. And even the instrumental songs were bangers.
But wtf. Especially with the pandemic.
2 weeks tops of Duff and slash putting some fingerprints on them shits, and there’s at least an EP ready to go with minimal effort.
Nope.
This is proof.
It was always Hell Freezes Over 2.
They still hate each other, but the checks are too big.

James
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Re: Slash casually refers to a new GNR record in a vague non committal way

James wrote:
ClaudeF wrote:

James, you said, "We found out from Dizzy that during the 2002-06 period, the band was never in the same room together."

That blows me away. I honestly thought all was well behind the scenes. When did he say that?

In an interview before the Hammerstein shows. It might be buried in CD Whispers.

I  think a pandemic release doesn't make sense for them though

Funny how there's never a good time for a release....and their fans come up with more creative and elaborate excuses than the band does.

More people than at any point in history are sitting at home....glued to the internet.

A new song/album could've ignited a huge buzz during downtime and carried them through the rest of the pandemic... like other major acts have done.

Or how about a small live set? Even the Stones did something during the pandemic.

No money in it though.

I don’t think they can do the stadium tour every year without SOMETHING. But i think they’ll wait for the data for that

It won't happen every year.

The Stones take breaks too.

I’d have a lot more respect for them if they  were more transparent. I don’t think the media gives enough of a shit about them to discredit, print mistruths or build unrealistic expectations. If they were honest enough to say ‘we tried writing, it’s not working’ but we want to be able to play live I’d be cool with that. Too old to care now.

In hindsight I believe he should've pulled a Billy Joel and told everyone he was done creatively and he would just tour the hits.

He became a nostalgia act anyways and it would've removed the pressure and the tension with his fan base.

Yeah the media isn't jumping aboard again. They didn't bother talking about CD II(no reason to) and they won't do it this time either.

The media caught on to what it was really about before the fans did.

If a song/album comes out... they'll cover it.

Nothing until then.

They don't give the media a reason to care anyways. The band and the vibe surrounding them is completely sterile.

A fine tuned unit goes onstage, busts out the hits, leaves the stage. No promos, no substantial interviews, no news, nothing.

Repeat until retirement.

Even if they do more anniversary/vault releases, it won't be accompanied by a promotional jaunt.

They could've made that AFD release really special but they didn't. It wasn't worth their time.

Speaking of being too old, I believe that the aging fan base helps fuel the direction this went and will continue.

They no longer have a rabid, hardcore base. Their fan forums combined have a grand total of a few hundred active users. They have ditched the forums and have a presence on social media....which clearly caters to a very casual audience.

Last year when the biggest leak in the band's history occurred showing the progress of the Chinese saga warts and all, it only increased forum activity by a couple hundred users temporarily and was never mentioned by the band or media.

That fact in itself tells you what the band's priorities are. It also reveals that most people interested in GNR don't care.



The Zoot leak was the best/worst thing to happen to in terms of Guns

It should've happened 10-15 years earlier than it did. It had the potential to be a game changer. A leak of that magnitude could've forced some sort of release.

Imagine that leaking in 2004-5.

You're right though....it peeled back the event horizon surrounding the project and showed that for a brief period of time, those early CD lineups were cooking up something special.

What could've been....

It was always Hell Freezes Over 2.

While I initially had hope that it might go in the direction of the Soundgarden reunion, it didn't take long to reveal it's true purpose.

The name was the clue. He knew it when he said it. The fate of the "Not in this Lifetime" line was the 21st century's Hell Freezes Over.

Once the various solo careers of the Eagles was dealt a blow from the law of diminishing returns, they didn't waste any time getting the gang back together.

At least Eagles fans got a killer live album with two new songs right out the gate and a new album later on.

Furbush
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Re: Slash casually refers to a new GNR record in a vague non committal way

Furbush wrote:
James wrote:
ClaudeF wrote:

James, you said, "We found out from Dizzy that during the 2002-06 period, the band was never in the same room together."

That blows me away. I honestly thought all was well behind the scenes. When did he say that?

In an interview before the Hammerstein shows. It might be buried in CD Whispers.

I  think a pandemic release doesn't make sense for them though

Funny how there's never a good time for a release....and their fans come up with more creative and elaborate excuses than the band does.

More people than at any point in history are sitting at home....glued to the internet.

A new song/album could've ignited a huge buzz during downtime and carried them through the rest of the pandemic... like other major acts have done.

Or how about a small live set? Even the Stones did something during the pandemic.

No money in it though.

I don’t think they can do the stadium tour every year without SOMETHING. But i think they’ll wait for the data for that

It won't happen every year.

The Stones take breaks too.

I’d have a lot more respect for them if they  were more transparent. I don’t think the media gives enough of a shit about them to discredit, print mistruths or build unrealistic expectations. If they were honest enough to say ‘we tried writing, it’s not working’ but we want to be able to play live I’d be cool with that. Too old to care now.

In hindsight I believe he should've pulled a Billy Joel and told everyone he was done creatively and he would just tour the hits.

He became a nostalgia act anyways and it would've removed the pressure and the tension with his fan base.

Yeah the media isn't jumping aboard again. They didn't bother talking about CD II(no reason to) and they won't do it this time either.

The media caught on to what it was really about before the fans did.

If a song/album comes out... they'll cover it.

Nothing until then.

They don't give the media a reason to care anyways. The band and the vibe surrounding them is completely sterile.

A fine tuned unit goes onstage, busts out the hits, leaves the stage. No promos, no substantial interviews, no news, nothing.

Repeat until retirement.

Even if they do more anniversary/vault releases, it won't be accompanied by a promotional jaunt.

They could've made that AFD release really special but they didn't. It wasn't worth their time.

Speaking of being too old, I believe that the aging fan base helps fuel the direction this went and will continue.

They no longer have a rabid, hardcore base. Their fan forums combined have a grand total of a few hundred active users. They have ditched the forums and have a presence on social media....which clearly caters to a very casual audience.

Last year when the biggest leak in the band's history occurred showing the progress of the Chinese saga warts and all, it only increased forum activity by a couple hundred users temporarily and was never mentioned by the band or media.

That fact in itself tells you what the band's priorities are. It also reveals that most people interested in GNR don't care.



The Zoot leak was the best/worst thing to happen to in terms of Guns

It should've happened 10-15 years earlier than it did. It had the potential to be a game changer. A leak of that magnitude could've forced some sort of release.

Imagine that leaking in 2004-5.

You're right though....it peeled back the event horizon surrounding the project and showed that for a brief period of time, those early CD lineups were cooking up something special.

What could've been....

It was always Hell Freezes Over 2.

While I initially had hope that it might go in the direction of the Soundgarden reunion, it didn't take long to reveal it's true purpose.

The name was the clue. He knew it when he said it. The fate of the "Not in this Lifetime" line was the 21st century's Hell Freezes Over.

Once the various solo careers of the Eagles was dealt a blow from the law of diminishing returns, they didn't waste any time getting the gang back together.

At least Eagles fans got a killer live album with two new songs right out the gate and a new album later on.

Cornell has released more stuff posthumously.
I can’t wait for them to sort out the situation with the Soundgarden material.

Seriously.. when those tracks were trickling  out.. After the first couple of batches? I had a killer EP playlist that they could easily make happen.


Zodiac
Hard school
Perhaps
As I Began
State Of Grace

Gives me goosebumps.

Re: Slash casually refers to a new GNR record in a vague non committal way

Sky Dog wrote:

Ha! The name of the tour was the clue!!!!

monkeychow
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Re: Slash casually refers to a new GNR record in a vague non committal way

monkeychow wrote:
James wrote:

Funny how there's never a good time for a release....and their fans come up with more creative and elaborate excuses than the band does.

So true...and i'm part of the problem, but I do feel it's somewhat justified for once in this instance.

Like taking a step back - they haven't released a proper album together in 30 years, or any album in 12. Then the history of things would suggest that even if something does come out - it will be the last time for a further decade or more if not forever. When you combine that with the fact that their bread and butter is stadium touring....I think it's forgivable that they don't want to "waste" their reunion album by dropping it when they can't tour with it.

It's not like Axl would write and release a follow up shortly after - you'd be resetting the 20 year clock lol

James wrote:

No money in it though.

Yeah I agree that's the problem.

I think it's reasonable they didn't want to blow the album - but I would have liked to have seen them do a live stream type gig like steel panther were doing - or better yet put together a fun cover or something a bit different online. There's ways they could have been creative and or given back during the pandemic and still kept the album card up the sleeve for the future.

Furbush wrote:

Zodiac
Hard school
Perhaps
As I Began
State Of Grace

Gives me goosebumps.

Yeah that's one of the frustrating parts. The material is there and the potential is strong. Like it's good stuff in basic form - and it's not like adding Slash and Duff to these and or adding Axl to any of their stuff is likely to go bad. It's going to be good when it happens. It's just a long time coming. It worries me that the pandemic may have reset the clock for us too. But either way I can't see how they can continue forever with nothing new. At some point they need to at least do an EP or something just to freshen it up you'd think. But I guess James' point about the stones is a worry.

Scabbie
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Re: Slash casually refers to a new GNR record in a vague non committal way

Scabbie wrote:

Here’s an idea - Bring back Adler and Izzy - for even just a single song...split the royalties if necessary to make them excited. I bet that would that would create some excitement!

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