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Re: Bad Apples was meant to be on Live Era
Was looking in to the archive to check something unrelated and stumbled on this so thought I'd mention it as I'm not sure it's common knowledge or not.
Bad Apples was intended to be on Live Era and a mixed version by Andy Wallace likely exists
Wallace's management company confirms that the studio veteran is booked for the sessions from July 12 through to the 29th.
https://web.archive.org/web/20010629194 … _news.html The following post suggests his work however was not complete by the 29th.
August 8th 1999
The Guns N' Roses Live Album Info
Slash says the album will have to meet the approval of the GN'R members before it's ready for production. He is working on mixing it, and sometimes Duff will come in and help out. Every one of the band members is involved in some way. Slash says that 8 songs are done. The artwork is already in progress and will be done by the band. The album will be made up of songs from different concerts. There will be some GN'R standbys like "Welcome to the Jungle", but there will also be rare cuts like "Bad Apples". "November Rain" and "Estranged" are both included. Actually, Slash said there was way too much material for one CD, so they are constantly working to size down the tracks to be included. Still no date, but Slash says they are half done, and 24 songs are in mid-mix. So obviously, the band has got a ways to go to compressing this down to the cd-size 13-15. Slash will be going very briefly to New York to master this Guns album.
Source: GN'R mailinglist https://web.archive.org/web/20010702103 … news5.html
A rare live version of the song "Bad Apples," originally thought to be on record, did not make the final cut, but at least one other track, "Coma," is expected to surface as an overseas b-side in the future. https://web.archive.org/web/20010707161 … tory1.html
As you may recall Coma was eventually released as a bonus track in Japan, but also made available as a free download through KNACs site.
There are 22 songs on the album, 23 if you count Coma, the 24th has to be Bad Apples. So any of you have this?
The following is Duff basically admitting that there are overdubs, I stumbled on this a few years ago and its the closest I have seen any of them come to admitting it.
This was posted on Duff McKagan's Message Board:
Hey dudes! Yes, the live album is offically released on the 30th November here in the US. I did work quite a bit on it. It was great becasue I got to meet all the guys again. Slash was responsible for most of the work on the album. He and Axl worked the hardest. Stevie, Izzy and the others were all involved in one way or another. A lot of people who habe heard the Live Era sampler are complaining that it sound too overproduced with extra sound added. Hmm. It is true that we added extra sound to make the songs sound better on record. But I would not call it 'overproduced'. It has ended up with a very smooth, clean sound even to Axl's vocals but we were just trying to make the album as good as we could. That is why it doesn't actually say what shows the songs come from on the album. Loads of bands do it. Checkout Aerosmith's 'A Little South of Sanity', Cheap Trick's 'Live At Budokan' or any Kiss live album and they have all been tampered with. Otherwise, it would sound like a bootleg.
Se ya, November 30th, in your living room.
Source: Duff McKagan's Official Website
http://home5.swipnet.se/~w-52838/nov29_ … tory4.html
Re: Bad Apples was meant to be on Live Era
It was great becasue I got to meet all the guys again. Slash was responsible for most of the work on the album. He and Axl worked the hardest. Stevie, Izzy and the others were all involved in one way or another.
Is this confirmation they were actually working on this together at some point?!? If memory serves me correctly, the previous story has Axl and Slash working separately.
As you know, I believe we got much closer to a reunion several points in the Chinese timeline.
The Live Era timeframe may be the first...or was the first domino to fall anyways on the path to it.
It's unfortunate they had to ruin Live Era. I wish the label had made them go back to the drawing board or simply not released it at the time.
As far as Bad Apples being excluded, there was no way to get a perfect track list to please both hardcores and casuals. We're damn lucky Dust N Bones was included...the best track on there IMO.
- Shacklermyrye
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Re: Bad Apples was meant to be on Live Era
It was great becasue I got to meet all the guys again. Slash was responsible for most of the work on the album. He and Axl worked the hardest. Stevie, Izzy and the others were all involved in one way or another.
Is this confirmation they were actually working on this together at some point?!? If memory serves me correctly, the previous story has Axl and Slash working separately.
As you know, I believe we got much closer to a reunion several points in the Chinese timeline.
The Live Era timeframe may be the first...or was the first domino to fall anyways on the path to it.
It's unfortunate they had to ruin Live Era. I wish the label had made them go back to the drawing board or simply not released it at the time.
As far as Bad Apples being excluded, there was no way to get a perfect track list to please both hardcores and casuals. We're damn lucky Dust N Bones was included...the best track on there IMO.
From what I recall they were working separate and Del was the bridge between them, he was also tasked with going through all the old tapes to find performances that were useable.
Funny that you picked up on the same part I did though & wouldn't surprise me if we learn more about this someday
This is the only real 'evidence' I found that indicates they may have 'met' back then. But there have been signs over the years I think that it could have happened.
Remember Duffs story about just happening to be in the same hotel & across the hall as Axl in (2010/2014)? There was a interview I think in 2016 where Axl said something like 'He just happened to be there, I don't know what I think about that' indicating that he doubted it was an accident I think.
Not a conspiracy theorist but If he doubted it was an accident meeting then maybe it could possibly be because he had prior knowledge that they had been dishonest about meeting before?
Put it this way, if word got out in 1999 that they had met or even had contact (phone/email) in working toward Live Era then the entire media narrative shifts away from where Axl would want it. It would give more potential creedence to reunion rumours and essentially cut off newgnr at the knees, Newgnr members and Axl and Slash/Duff would get hounded more about a reunion than they already were and this was in a time when coverage in media was far more than it would be now. If they did meet or have direct contact I'm not surprised they didn't scream it from the rooftops. Or it could just be a clumsily worded post from Duff of course.
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