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#1011 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 294 weeks ago
Do we think the ballots found in the ditch were planted to show the problems with mail in voting or do we think someone actually was dumb enough to do that?
You talking about the military ballots?
#1012 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 294 weeks ago
The mask one is just weird to me. Like can you be lawfully arrested in the US for not wearing a mask? Honest question.
Depends on the state and municipality. My state has a bill being presented that would make it a misdemeanor to not wear one out in public. It has no chance of passing and is being offered by a Philadelphia democrat for media attention. But Biden and Harris have wobbled on their stance on a national mask mandate. Once you codify something into law, it's going to be enforced.
#1013 The Sunset Strip » The Boys » 294 weeks ago
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I love this show. I was enamored with it last year when it came out. Season 2 has been fun, but I don't care for the weekly format. Anyone else a fan?
#1014 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 294 weeks ago
I was amused a little though. Not a fan of those anti mask folk.
Not to start that argument, but I think mask people are deluding themselves. All the recent evidence shows this thing is airborne, not aerosol. WHO said it months ago and bowed to pressure. CDC said it this weekend, and bowed to pressure. 6 months ago, the WHO and CDC told us masks were useless, and had held that position for years. What changed? No one has been able to explain why the mask was useless against the Flu, but suddenly did something for COVID. Appeals to authority have little sway over me. If anyone has any actual studies explaining this, please let me know.
I wear my mask in PA as required. But I think it's a crutch to make scared people feel like they're in control.
Heading to Vegas in 5 days with some friends for my first outing since my cruise in January. I'm hoping the whole mask thing doesn't make it unbearable.
#1015 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 294 weeks ago
Hey man, sorry to hear this. I'm not sure you ever posted it but I don't recall reading it or knowing about it.
Jesus I don't know how I missed that. Very sorry to hear that and for your loss.
Thanks
#1016 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 294 weeks ago
Woman, just tasered for not wearing a mask.
More misuse of power.
She repeatedly resisted arrest and refused to be handcuffed. You don’t get to do that if you’re Black or White, man or woman.
#1017 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 294 weeks ago
Are you trying to tell me the cops didn't aid in his death? Because that's what it sounds like and if that's what you believe then I would say you are the minority.
I can't say that with certainty, but yea I'm with you. They absolutely contributed to/aided in his death. I'm not defending Chauvin keeping his knee on Floyd's (It's Floyd, not Lloyd) "neck", especially for 3-4 minutes after Floyd quit moving. I'm simply stating that I can't say with certainty his knee was on his neck. It could have been on his back. The angle makes this ambiguous. I don't know if you're familiar with fentanyl and the opioid crisis in the US. I've had family members suffer from it. But the original coroner's report said Floyd had a lethal dose in his system. Did the cops contribute?, I accept it as so. But would Floyd have lived if he didn't have a cocktail of fentanyl and meth in his system? I don't know that either, but the original coroner's report made that claim. My entire point is that you have to consider all evidence and information. Not just the one that invokes the most outrage.
What are you talking about carotid chokes for when that isn't what we seen. We seen a man slowly suffocate from his back and neck being restricted.
I've seen plenty of people on TV and on the internet say it was a chokehold. There was this whole thing in the US about them removing the carotid chokehold in nearly every major city after Floyd. Maybe you heard about this, maybe you didn't. But it was and is absolutely a common statement from BLM activists. I can get you pictures of the spray paint in Pittsburgh.
The coroner says the fentanyl killed him. I'm not making a claim one way or the other. Simply stating that after reviewing the totality of public information to include all videos, I can't support your claim beyond a reasonable doubt.
I'm actually concerned for your logic tbh. The day Lloyd died you came on here saying how he deserved it and was resisting and shit. Then when folk called you out you said you hadn't seen the video. Something I doubted but didn't question.
But here you are again and you seem to be edging back to that totally uninformed position.
You're correct. I accepted the police narrative while out at my fiance's lake house with sporadic cell reception. Then I watched the video and saw Chauvin keep his knee on Floyd's neck for 3 minutes after Floyd stopped responding. That's why I called for then and support now Chauvin being charged with 2nd degree murder. Cause that's what the video looks like.
But I've also seen the newest video that didn't exist in the 2 months after Floyd's death. And it shows Floyd resisting arrest. Have you seen the video, or are you making the mistake I learned from almost 4 months ago? Please don't impugn my motives. I'll extend you the same courtesy.
I'm not supporting the death of Floyd. Just stating that no one can conclusively and confidently believe a version of what happened without considering all the evidence and context. You don't get to ignore Floyd had a lethal does of a narcotic in his system, was high on meth and weed, and suffering from COVID-19 in the consideration of how much at fault Chauvin is for Floyd's death.
#1018 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 294 weeks ago
Pretty much every post I made had a question or multiple.
Lloyd ain't no maytr, and whether he had drugs in his system or not they are responsible for his death.
Bringing up his past is serving what purpose exactly? It seems to me a strawman rather than deal with the issue . Dragging his name through the mud before discussing how the cops killed him seems very disingenuous.
I don't believe your claim is evidenced with the publicly available information. Floyd actively resisted arrest once moved towards the vehicle. I have watched all available videos. The ones out around his death didn't show what happened after. Floyd is clearly under the influence, and is actively refusing to be put in the vehicle. He repeatedly says he can't breathe while sitting upright and before police restrained him. He's shown inside the police vehicle resisting arrest, saying he can't breathe and is claustrophobic. This goes on for a couple minutes. The Floyd kicks himself out of the police car, and Chauvin restrains him. Floyd says he can't breathe, just as he had been the minutes before he was laying on the ground. A carotid choke doesn't take 5 or 9 minutes to kill you. The original coroner report blamed his death on his poor health and the lethal dose of fentanyl in his system. His family's lawyer hired other coroners who conveniently agreed with the family narrative. Then they quickly buried Floyd.
A jury will weigh all of this evidence plus all that which we're not aware of. If knowing this information, you can confidently say the police are responsible for his death, good for you. I can appreciate that stance, but to ignore any evidence to the contrary makes me wonder if objectivity is possible. I'm inclined to agree with you, but I made the mistake of assuming the original police report, then made another opinion based off limited video. I don't have all the information, and I know that the media isn't interested in providing that to me. Otherwise they wouldn't be bending over backwards to make Rittenhouse look like a vigilante rather than a 17 year old being chased by antia fucks trying to kill him for putting out their fires. Yea, there's now a video that shows that too. But you won't hear that on any channel.
#1019 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 294 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:IRISH OS1R1S wrote:Let me get this straight. You want me to believe people who think it's ok to strangle a man to death with their knees and shoot men in the back seven times, seriously?
Noone caused this only the corrupt police themselves, and until the good cops start addressing it they will continue to get away with it.
Here is another example. We know there is a lot of corruption in the force. How many cops report other cops yearly? I bet that is a fun statistic.You assume that the Minneapolis police meant to kill him. Maybe that was Chauvin’s state of mind, but I believe if you consider the video that shows what happened before Floyd kicked himself out of the vehicle, that claim becomes harder for a jury to accept beyond a reasonable doubt.
Even CNN had an article on why 7 shots aren’t excessive. Police officers are trained to discharge their firearms reflexively to disable someone. Blake had already resisted arrest by two officers and shook off a tazer. He said he was getting a knife. How many shots are acceptable to disable a man who was at the residence of a woman he raped and had a restraining order against him, fights off two cops, a tazer, and then says he’s getting a knife while you hold a gun inches from him? The point there was to kill/disable Blake. Not consider his life when he was in the act of a 4th 1st degree felony in minutes.
1. I don't assume anything. They killed Lloyd and that is also a fact. Even if he hadn't died it's still misuse of force. Something I am arguing and I feel is getting bogged down in who died or didn't is getting away from that.
2. I could care less what CNN said, like really lol. Seven shots in the back is excessive. Especially when multiple cops are on scene and in grabbing distance. Any denial of that I'm just gonna ignore.
3.Again the issue I'm debating is corruption and misuse of powers.
4. I find I'm always answering you, but you never answer my questions. I find that odd.
5. I have no doubt the cops in the Lloyd case will walk. More corruption in my eyes.
What question did I ignore? Please state it and I’ll give it a response.
#1020 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 294 weeks ago
I have no love for cops. Or teachers, soldiers, nurses or any other profession that thinks they inherently deserve respect.
There’s a fundamental flaw imho with someone who desires to seek out physical conflict. Been there, done that. It ain’t for me. That’s why the army gets you when you’re 18. Cops choose to do that every day, and stay with it. I’m not calling them bad people, someone has to do the job. But if you like wrestling people who want to harm you to the ground, that takes a comfort and an extreme level of testosterone I’m not familiar with.
But they volunteer to go to the places and do the things you and I call 911 to get someone else to do. I don’t fault them for valuing their lives and safety more than the majority pieces of shit they’re forced to interact with on a daily basis. George Floyd was a bad person. He was high on meth and had a lethal dose of fentanyl in his system. You can google both of those statements. He had robbed and assaulted a pregnant woman at gun point. None of that justifies Chauvin keeping him restrained with a knee on his neck/back for 3 minutes after he stopped responding. Chauvin deserves what the court gives him. But you try dealing with pieces of shit day in and day out and tell me that’s not going to increase your chance of doing something wrong. Police need to be held accountable for abuse. But they don’t have to be demonized because violent thugs think they can ignore commands and argue their way out of arrest. And they definitely don’t deserve to be demonized for defending themselves again men who wish to harm them.
Floyd isn’t a martyr. I’m not convinced Chauvin’s knee wasn’t possibly not on his carotid. I’ve applied carotid chokes and been choked. You don’t last longer than 8-12 seconds. It’s worth at least consideration that the fentanyl played a part, if not the majority. I’m not committing to any position, just the reality of ambiguous video and conflicting coroner reports. We’ll see what the jury says.
I’m much more concerned at the moment of more cops being shot in cold blood and rioting on the streets, than I am of another cold blooded murder from a police officer right now.
