And finally, I won't argue with you on the Christian way have a stranglehold on the "homosexuality is an abomination/immorality" argument. Christianity has obviously grown to being the #1 religion of the world in the past 2000 years. But there are other religions that frown on homosexuality, such as Islam, also.

Society views two women as hot, imo, because women are a much more sensual, soft, and erotic creature than men. Nobody looks at two bull dikes, with mullets and trucker caps making out as hot, and the reality is - they are the real lesbians of the world. The two hot porno lesbians are really a fabrication of the media and entertainment world. It's a fantasy, but not a reality. If they were to market that two 'pretty boy' and 'built' men making out and doing each other was very hot and freeing... it'd catch on eventually. Societies can be sculpted for anything.

And that's 3 points, from down town at the buzzer - Backslash wins.

Going on that theory, a "pitcher" is not gay. Only a "catcher", whether with a woman or man is gay. A man who sticks his dick in a guy's ass is not a gay man.

Saikin wrote:

Once again Axlin you are making assumptions of what other people are assuming.

And you're making assumptions, that i'm assuming what other people are assuming.

What the fuck?

Come on man, you gotta do better than that. We all know society views lesbians as 'not really gay'. Otherwise you'd have a bunch of straight men & women out there, that find it 'hot' to watch two men make out, and rub each other's crotches.

Saikin wrote:

I just don't get your argument that getting nailed by a girl is straight.  For one, our asses weren't made for that.

A woman's asshole wasn't meant for a dick either, but that doesn't stop alot of a straight men from thinking anal sex is the bomb. Are they gay? Is she gay?

Nobody's ass was made for sex, but alot of people do it, and love it.

Saikin wrote:

Three- men did like in the ass a long time ago, and they were gay, they just didn't have a word for it back then as it was seemingly natural to have that relationship with another man.

WHAT? Since when has mankind viewed two men having a romantic/sexual relationship as natural? If that were the case, mankind would've been conditioned to view homosexuality as simply a way of life, and we wouldn't have the massive amount of bigotry and intolorance we have in today's society.

Randall Flagg wrote:

Listen, women like to be filled and men like to be the filler.

Only because society has been conditioned that women submit to men.

Randall Flagg wrote:

When you deviate from that you are no longer straight.

According to you. I find making out with a man, or sucking his dick to be FAR more a classification of homosexuality, than taking a dildo up the ass.

Randall Flagg wrote:

A man who likes to get his ass filled with a dick shaped object is queer.  Okay, maybe not queer, but he is at least bi-sexual and repressing some homosexual feelings.

So what is it when a woman sticks a dildo up her ass? Is that gay? Is she bi? Does she have repressed homosexual feelings, because she likes a dildo in her ass, and not a real dick? Or does that just apply to her vagina?

I just don't think there are RULES to sexuality. Or labels, except in specific cases. A FAKE dick, no matter if it's penis shaped, or a toy that is made to easily go up there, is still a TOY for sexual pleasure. No different for a woman using it, or a man using it.

Only when a man takes a REAL dick up his ass or mouth, do I push the button and say - "GAY".

He's actually, as a man, trying to give or get sexual gratification from another man.

Ever heard of a prostate massage? Requires entry into your ass. If my woman is doing it, sorry, I'm not gonna consider myself gay.

That said, never had anything in my ahole, although my wife has explored down there, and it's quite a sensitive area. That in combination with a bj or jerkoff and it's pretty satisfying.

Next time she does it though, I'll be sure to tell her she's technically a gay man by some of the definitions here. She'll be shocked. She doesn't even have a dick--real or fake.