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#1051 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Made in Stoke 24/7/11 Special Edition [2 CD + DVD]Pre-order » 778 weeks ago
I still don't get it. He can release the live versions of those GN'R songs on DVD in the US, but he can't on a CD? Or both the CD and the DVD are edited, cut short of the GN'R tunes?
#1052 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N Roses OFFICIALLY inducted into Rock n Roll Hall of Fame » 778 weeks ago
I don't believe in the huge conspiracy and 3 fans' opinion won't convince me that CD had any part in their induction. There isn't a song that people would know.
GN'R is inducted for AFD and the UYIs. Even Slash's guitar tech, Erin Everly and Jack Daniel had more part in the band's success than all the post 1993 bands combined.
#1053 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N Roses OFFICIALLY inducted into Rock n Roll Hall of Fame » 778 weeks ago
Mikkamakka wrote:Olorin wrote:From my point of view, I've been a die hard GNR fan all my life and seen the ups and downs in popularity, and in the UK GNR pretty much disapeared from the public consciousness till about 2004 when greatest hits came out. Then all of a sudden GNR were cool again, getting airplay on the radio and spoken about in the media.
From the mid 90's till about 2004 I used to collect every article I ever came across, record every mention on TV - and they were few and far between, thats why I collected them, it was my favourite band and I got a kick out of seeing mentions of them.
But Greatest Hits changed that, and I firmly believe the successful 2006 Euro tour would have sold as badly as the abandoned 2001 Euro Tour if it wasnt for that albums success.
True. When people go to see GN'R, they want the old hits. Except a few nerds, nobody gives a flying F about CD. Just take a look at the current NA tour - people started to buy GH in serious amounts. It even re-entered the Billboard Top 200. Nobody bought CD. I guess it shows its relevance to the legacy.
Nobody bought CD because you can't buy CD in NA currently, one of the many things wrong with the CD situation.
At all 3 shows I was at, plenty of people were interested in and/or singing along with CD songs.
In Youngstown, during The Blues, a guy two seats from me leaned over and said "Is this from Chinese Democracy?" and I said yeah so he said "I really need to get it apparently, the songs I don't know are good". I told him I'd have to explain after the show why he can't buy it currently.
I guess it was only available for 6 weeks, right? Cause nobody bought it after the first month.
Face it: the general public does not cares about this incarnation, neither the other non-Slash line-ups. They care about Guns N' Roses, and if Axl Rose is singin', he can have any back-up band he wants, he can do a half-full arena tour. If it'd be the real band, then he'd play stadiums or sold-out arenas.
It'd be hilarious if every clown would be inducted who was on Axl's playlist for at least a month. Fuck it, the RRHOF induction would turn to be a joke, if even DJ and the other guys would be there, pretend to be Guns N' Roses. They could introduce the zillion cover bands, too.
#1054 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N Roses OFFICIALLY inducted into Rock n Roll Hall of Fame » 778 weeks ago
faldor wrote:Bono wrote:I don't believe you could not argue that in the slightest. CD era did not keep them relevant in anyway whatsoever and with or without CD the band was going in as a 1st ballot inductee. Let's not misconstrue some peopel being aware that Axl is touring and released and album with Gn'R being relevant. The classic hits were not getting airplay based on CD's mythology and people attendeding tours in 2000-2007 were not attending them to hear CD era songs. Ok maybe a sprinkling of fans but c'mon. CD played no part in Gn'R's relevance in terms of public perception other than to fuel the idea that Gn'R sucks without Slash. Not something I'm saying but something that is the general consensus among the average Joe in my opinion.
Slash's activity with solo albums, guest spots and the existence of Velvet Revolver played a much bigger role in keeping the Gn'R name relevant in my opinion.
I think you missed my point, or maybe I didn't explain it well enough. I'm not saying CD helped them get into the Hall because of its greatness. I'm saying since there WAS a Chinese Democracy, there was reason for Axl to go on with the band, albeit without any original members. Therefore GNR didn't seize to exist in 1994.
And I'll agree, Slash becoming one of the most recognized guitarists, and VR helped keep the GNR memories alive as well.
You might be right, they may have gotten in just based off of their 6 year span even without anything that followed. But I do think each member remaining active in an assortment of ways helped a bit.
From my point of view, I've been a die hard GNR fan all my life and seen the ups and downs in popularity, and in the UK GNR pretty much disapeared from the public consciousness till about 2004 when greatest hits came out. Then all of a sudden GNR were cool again, getting airplay on the radio and spoken about in the media.
From the mid 90's till about 2004 I used to collect every article I ever came across, record every mention on TV - and they were few and far between, thats why I collected them, it was my favourite band and I got a kick out of seeing mentions of them.
But Greatest Hits changed that, and I firmly believe the successful 2006 Euro tour would have sold as badly as the abandoned 2001 Euro Tour if it wasnt for that albums success.
True. When people go to see GN'R, they want the old hits. Except a few nerds, nobody gives a flying F about CD. Just take a look at the current NA tour - people started to buy GH in serious amounts. It even re-entered the Billboard Top 200. Nobody bought CD. I guess it shows its relevance to the legacy.
#1055 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N Roses OFFICIALLY inducted into Rock n Roll Hall of Fame » 778 weeks ago
Yeah, it'd be Adam Lambert and Paul Rodgers getting there with Queen. Absurd.
I agree that those guys in the past-1993 line-ups who have any self-respect wouldn't want to be inducted now.
#1056 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N Roses OFFICIALLY inducted into Rock n Roll Hall of Fame » 778 weeks ago
Absolutely. Write this down, if they do not use this opportunity to come full circle, and right the wrongs of the last 18 years or so by patching things up... it will stain their legacy forever.
They will never escape that shit stain. Never. And it will be tragically sad for themselves, and their fans.
Yeah.
With all the post-1993 guys it'd look like a gipsy caravan. I mean even Gary Sunshine will get inducted, cause he played on OMG? and Navarro, too? Moby, cause he almost helped them out? Reznor, Limp Bizkit and Elton John for influencing Axl?
I'm sorry but guys who weren't even there and didn't even like the band, like Tommy and Robin, how in the hell could be inducted on the 25th anniversary of AFD? Or DJ, who contributed as much to the the legacy back then as madagas - they both were hanbanging in their bedroom for PC, that's it.
It's a clear situation. Axl Rose left the band in the mid 90s and formed a new band with the same name. Now the classic band is honured, not the other band, therefore it's Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy, Steven, maybe Matt, Dizzy or questionably Gilby. They were what the public knows as Guns N' Roses, they wrote it, or represented it in their heyday. Axl's new band can be inducted in 2033, 25 years after CD - if they manage to deserve it till then. Nuff said.
#1057 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N Roses OFFICIALLY inducted into Rock n Roll Hall of Fame » 778 weeks ago
Matt and Dizzy had ZERO writing credits on the Illusions...the definition of hired hands. Original 5.....that is all.
Funny that even Steven says that Matt (and Dizzy) would deserve it.
It'll be a tough situation for Axl though, almost Catch 22. If he is a no show, then he'll get a lot of criticism, and he'll be the asshole. (Not that it'd be so far from the truth in that case.) If he shows up, but doesn't perform, then it will be almost the same, but reunion pressure and rumours will start if there is a photo of the original five. If he performs with them, except Slash (and Steven), then it'll be the most hysterical move in the entire history of RRHOF and GN'R, conclusion: Axl is an asshole. His only possible move to save face and avoid further criticism is performing with the old guys. He'll (need to?) declare that it's a different era - but hey, the whole hardcore fanbase would be happier if reuinon or not, they'd bury the hachet.
(On the other hand I took a look at HTGTH, and the Slash hate factor went high. Some vocal clowns would not even allow the old guys to be there, except maybe Izzy N' Duff, cause Slash & Co did nothing, but 'damaging this band' in the past years. I think you'd get an open conversation with a scientologist sooner, than with estebanf and the other puppets. It'll be interesting what position Jarmo takes though.)
#1058 Guns N' Roses » Steven Adler on a Guns N' Roses Hall of Fame Reunion » 778 weeks ago
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Steven Adler on a Guns N' Roses Hall of Fame Reunion: 'My Toes Are Crossed!'
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ … d-20111207
By Andy Greene
December 7, 2011
Over the past 25 years, many bands have put aside years of infighting to perform at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony. Nobody ever thought that bands like Cream, the Talking Heads, Led Zeppelin and The Police would ever play again, but they all did when they got into the Hall of Fame. Guns N' Roses may be the exception. The original line-up hasn't played together since 1990, and Axl Rose has said vicious things about Slash in recent years. Despite all that, fans are incredibly hopeful they'll put that aside next April in Cleveland. We checked in with former Guns N' Roses drummer Steven Adler to hear his feelings on the induction, and to see if he thinks that a reunion is likely to happen.
Congratulations on the big news.
Dreams do come true.
Tell me your first reaction to hearing it.
Of course, excitement and joy. I always knew it was going to happen, just like when the band first started. I always knew that we were going to be successful and accomplish and succeed at our dreams. There was never a doubt in my mind. When we were recording Appetite For Destruction, we all knew. I've been blessed. I grew up and played and worked and created with the Freddie Mercury, the Jimi Hendrix, the Keith Richards, the John Paul Jones of my generation. I love those guys, no matter what happened. Everything was meant to happen the way it happened. I always knew that we were you going to succeed.
You guys got in your first year of eligibility. That's pretty rare these days.
It was such a historical, monumental record. It blows my mind that KISS isn't in there. If it wasn't for KISS, there would be no Guns N' Roses. Bands like that made Guns N' Roses. We were five guys with five personalities and five different influences. The stars were aligned for us.
Getting inducted is a huge deal for me. I just read that Eric Clapton was inducted into the Hall of Fame twice. I went, "Wow, I'm being inducted into the same club as Clapton Is God and the Beatles and Elvis…" It's a honor and a dream come true.
Are you looking forward to the ceremony?
I've been working on my speech for the last three weeks, since I found out we were on the ballot. I've got a tent and a sleeping bag, so I'm going to be there the week before.
Do you think that all five of you will show up?
Absolutely not. But, as far as I know, there is a God and a higher power, and it's possible. Unfortunately, I don't forsee it. You figure that time could heal all wounds, but some people just REALLY hold a crazy grudge.
I think that Axl is cool with you, Duff and Izzy…
He should be cool with Slash! The real shame about the ending of the Guns N' Roses when I got kicked out wasn't just that I got kicked out, but Slash and Axl stopped working together. They are the Keith Richards and the Mick Jagger! The Steven Tyler and Joe Perry! For twenty years, because of some STUPID grudge, which I guarantee you that neither of them could even tell you what it was. They don't even know! I just had lunch with Slash two days ago. He loves Axl. He holds no grudges towards him. Twenty years of great music wasn't created because of some stupid grudge. That's a shame.
It's interesting that Axl was willing to make peace with Duff and Izzy, but he seems to have really held onto his anger towards Slash. He even called him a cancer.
I've been reading his Tweets about all the shows he's been doing in the same states. My brother e-mailed his manager to see if I could come play a song. I had him do it twice, and he has not returned the e-mail. He can't be mad at me!
Didn't you talk to him in Las Vegas a while back?
Seven years ago! But everything was fine. I didn't like that interview he did on That Metal Show. I was very disappointed. He didn't answer one question. I guarantee you – and I could tell by the looks on Eddie and the other guy's faces – that before Axl came out, his manager told those guys, "If you ask him this, if you ask him that, he will stand up and walk out in the middle." I guarantee it. And the questions that that they did ask, he didn't answer. He just started talking about whatever he wanted to. And, he blamed everybody else. He blamed everybody! Who gives a crap? Don't blame people. I was disappointed. I was hoping to hear something better from him.
Then, when he talked about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame…that's why I don't think he'll show up. He seemed to have such a grudge! He didn't even answer. Eddie asked him, and he did not give a straight answer. He said, "blah blah blah blah." Then he said something about, "I don't know what they're expecting of me and expecting of the old band." What do you mean what they're expecting? Can't we just be fucking people who played music and accomplished a huge goal in their life and just play a couple songs? It's only rock and roll, my god! It's not rocket science.
Bands tend to reunite at the Rock Hall.
If the Police could do a reunion…One of the biggest jerks I ever met was Sting. If he can do it, then anyone can do it. It's not that big a deal. And the Eagles! They did it! They severely hated each other. It's just rock and roll.
Five old friends playing music shouldn't have to be this complicated.
It shouldn't be. It's nerve-wracking. Thank god I believe in a higher power, because it's nerve-wracking. Especially because whenever I go it, even to the 7-11 or something, someone is going to ask me, "When are you guys going to do a reunion." Look, if it was up to me, we would have done it 20 years ago! People fight, they get angry, they do drugs, and they do crazy things. If you survive and get over it, you're supposed to be able to move on. These are the only wounds that I've ever heard of that can't be healed by time. It's not like anyone has fucked anyone's wife or stole their wife, like the Rolling Stones with Brian Jones and Keith Richards. None of that crap happened.
I think Axl might come and it might happen. This is the one time where it feels possible.
It would mean so much to me if he did. Izzy too. I know that Duff and Slash will show up. They're basically normal human beings. Izzy is a gypsy. He's happy doing his own thing and he lives life to the fullest. Izzy is one of my heroes. I look up to him more than anybody. Steven Tyler and Izzy are the two coolest people that I've ever met or ever wanted to be influenced by. But Axl…it would mean so much to me. I personally just want to finish what I started with those jack-offs. We started off something, let's end the career playing together, at least once. I'd love to do a whole tour of the world. I personally, and I know that Slash and Duff feel the same way, we owe it to the fans to do a tour around the world. We haven't performed for over twenty years and they've stuck by us and believe in us. I get Tweets every day from people around the world saying how much they love the original band.
When it comes to after I left, I do believe that Matt Sorum and Dizzy Reed both have every right to be inducted too. Dizzy did play on Use Your Illusion, and he's been with Axl longer than anybody. He deserves it. Matt Sorum also played on Use Your Illusion. I think that the seven of us deserve it. I was just texting Matt Sorum in Australia. I'm going to play with him at The Roxy next week with Camp Freddy. He invited me to come down and play. He's a great guy.
It's going to be a pretty great night in Cleveland with you guys and the Beasties…
Do they do it in Cleveland? I thought they did it in New York.
It's in Cleveland every third year now. It's going to be at Public Hall.
Look at that! I was born in Cleveland. This is how I get to go back. This is fabulous!
It's you guys and the Beastie Boys, Chili Peppers, Donovan, Laura Nyro, The Faces with Rod Stewart…
Oh, wow! Rod Stewart is going to be there too? Wow. I haven't talked to him since he called me up and yelled at me about his ex-wife (laughs hysterically). I love you Rod.
You know what's really cool about the Chili Peppers being there too? Me and Slash and Flea all went to junior high together. We all grew up in the same neighborhood. We all used to play football in the street and Flea would play trumpet for my grandmother on her porch. It was really cool that me and Slash and Flea recorded a song for Slash's solo album last year. That was really exciting…But this! Three punks from the streets of Hollywood who grew up together and did good.
What do you think the moment will be like when you're standing at the podium accepting the award?
I'll tell you after it happens. But I'll tell you that I've been working on my speech for the past three weeks.
Didn't you just find out yesterday?
Once I heard we were on the ballot, I knew we were going to win. That's one thing with this band, I never had any doubts with it…Expect for when they kicked me out. Then I had doubts. My doubts were confirmed! It wasn't like when Bruce Dickinson joined Iron Maiden. The band didn't get bigger and better. That's what was supposed to happen, but it didn't. You'd figure after that normal people would realize, but I guess that we aren't dealing with normal people.
Was Axl always like this? Back in the day was he easier to deal with?
I think that he's exactly the same. From the Tweets that I read, nothing has changed. Back in the day, he did show up on time. He didn't necessarily stay onstage for that long, but we were on time.
How is your health these days? Are you clean?
My health is wonderful. I work out. I'm working. Playing music. I have a beautiful wife, a nice home, a nice car, I got money in the bank. I got three beautiful dogs that love me. Like I said, I'm blessed. I survived. If you want to know what it was really like being a part of Guns N' Roses from the very beginning, you have to get my book. And Slash's book and Duff's book too. If you put them all together, it's like you are best friends with all three of us. I want to see Izzy's book. I want to know what was going on with him. I was there, but I wasn't always there.
Are you clean right now? Off drugs?
Yeah, I'm clean. I work with Dr. Drew. I work with Dr. Sophie. I work with Bob Forrest. Now I'm very excited. I have something to live for.
Do you see this induction as the highlight of your career?
It is a highlight, but the highlight would really be if the five of us could perform together again. That would be the highlight. Yes, this is very huge. Of course. Eric Clapton, John Lennon…I'm getting inducted. Those are going to be my brothers. But the real thing would be if we could perform together. If Axl and the other guys will consider doing it, it would be a dream come true for me. As I said, I would like to finish what I started with them.
I'm guessing that over the next four months there's going to be endless drama and stories of "will they or won't they." I envision lots of drama coming.
The drama hasn't stopped for 25 years. I don't forsee it stopping, but I know there's love between all five of us. I know there is. Not just four of us, five of us. Five. We owe it to the fans. The LEAST we can do is give them one great performance.
Well, I'm crossing my fingers.
Me and you both. My fingers are crossed. My toes are crossed!
#1059 Re: Guns N' Roses » Nashville,TN Dec 4th Bridgestone Arena » 779 weeks ago
Smoking Guns wrote:D, Atlanta was awesome, but, it ALWAYS is going to sound better in person, its so loud and its been mixed really well on this tour.
In Detroit the other night, my friend was at the show. He said by the end so many people had left, it was a shitty crowd to begin with, and the set list blew. He did say the band was tight, but lacked the star power and all they had to focus on was Axl. So you can't make everyone happy, but everyone agrees Axl sounds great!
Sounds like your friend, like some of my friends, won't like anyone outside of Slash playing guitar in GNR. It's not a uncommon sentiment. DJ, Ron, and Richard hold their weight quite well in my mind, but some people won't allow themselves to see or believe that.
Funny that it's almost a must here to miss Axl and trash Myles, when Slash is playing his ass off, yet when Axl is playing his ass off, then everbody has to be exstatic - mentioning that it's great, but not the real deal is almost forbidden. Although Myles sings these songs at least as good as the current musicians play them.
Anyway, it's great to see them, especially Axl rocking again! 
#1060 Re: The Garden » i cut my hair » 779 weeks ago
Wow, I've never expected to read so much about hair here, considering it's a sausage fest. 
