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#10871 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 892 weeks ago
Here it is: GNR was one of the biggest bands in the world from 88-93. Whatever that means, have at it. I'm not arguing that. After 93, that ended.
Unlike GNR, Pearl Jam kept making music after their mega successful debut...
You're comparing a band who was huge for 5-6 years, to a band that has been huge for 17 years and counting. The logic that a band that was dormant for 8 to 15 years (depending if you want to count 2001 Vegas show or 2008 release of CD) is bigger than a band that has sold more albums, had more tours, gained more fans through consistently releasing music, is laughable.
And Pearl Jam never tried to be the biggest band in the world. GNR did. They took 2 totally different paths.
And the "grunge" era faded when Kurt died/Nirvana ended, Sound Garden ended and AIC ended by 95... All around the same time. That's why the scene ended. Pearl Jam kept going and thrived.
Pearl Jam didn't make a video for their second album, so saying they stopped being mainstream after they were unsuccessful is being very, very disengenuous. And they continued selling platinum albums in the US up until 1998. Their "decline" happened when they started selling 700,000 albums, with the exception of one, instead of a million. Yeah... That's a big decline.
#10872 Re: The Sunset Strip » Paranormal Activity » 892 weeks ago
I guess they arent remaking it and are going ahead with the original, after all. This movie is getting a lot of hype.
#10873 Re: The Garden » The 2009 NFL Season Thread » 892 weeks ago
After watching the TN game, don't base your opinion on him from the highlight reels on ESPN. He was awful after the 1st half of the 1st quarter. But you would have never known that from watching Sports Center.
#10874 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 892 weeks ago
That's one of the reasons I stopped listening to that fucking station. A bunch of asshats complaining about them playing Black Sabbath, Zeppelin and Hendrix and demanding Eminem. The audiance took a huge wrong turn back in 02. 
I reall enjoyed that Smile performance, faldor.:thumbup:
#10875 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl has evolved from UYI to CD? » 892 weeks ago
With the exception of "Sorry" CD was some of Axl's best songwriting.
And King's "Cell" fucking RULED!
#10876 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 892 weeks ago
Haha!
When the hell did they start playing GNR again?
#10877 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 892 weeks ago
faldor wrote:Axlin08 wrote:The brand name's legacy rests on ONE group of guys, and it's nobody from the CD-era.
How 'bout this...
We release GUITAR HERO: Guns N' Roses & GUITAR HERO: Pearl Jam
Let's see which one sells better. I'm betting the farm on GN'R...
Since Slash is Mr. Guitar Hero you might be right. It'd be more fair to use Rock Band in the scenario.
I was referring to the brand name. New Guns isn't, nor will they ever be in that equation.
When you sell "Guns N' Roses", you're selling that old image. Then, now, and always.
misterID wrote:PearlJam wasn't a fad. And there was no "steady decline." They decided, as a band, to retreat out of the mainstream, not make videos, or release commercial singles after 1993 and they still sold a shitload of albums and held very, very successful tours... That doesn't consist of half empty venues.
I still hear music from PJ on MODERN radio and not just from one of their albums. I can't say the same for GNR. Sorry, but trying to diminish a band who has been successful critically and finacially after deliberately walking away from the mainstream a decade after GNR became irrelevant is lame and not true.
I hear Guns N' Roses on MODERN radio almost every day. I hear Jungle, Mr. B, Sweet Child, Paradise City, Patience, Used To Love Her, Live and Let Die, Don't Cry, November Rain, Knockin' On Heaven's Door & You Could Be Mine played right alongside new Pearl Jam, AIC, Shinedown, Cornell, Nickleback, etc.
If GN'R went the way of original Skynyrd and went out in a plane crash... they'd still be bigger today than an active Pearl Jam.
The brand name alone is bigger than Pearl Jam in 1991.
Axl just actively MISUSES it with a pseudo-band.
??? In 1991 GNR was bigger than Pearl Jam, I'll give you that. Not today. And it has nothing to do with how Axl uses the GNR name.
"If GN'R went the way of original Skynyrd and went out in a plane crash... they'd still be bigger today than an active Pearl Jam."
What? There are plenty of varibles that coulda, shoulda, woulda made GNR bigger than Pearl Jam today. And *insert any number of bands here* to fit that scenerio too.
And you must have a nice modern rock radio station. Of all the cities I've lived in only one, 101.1 in Orlando, played GNR regularly, and they quit playing them in 02.
#10878 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 892 weeks ago
And for the record, no band who had exclusive release with Target, like most other retailers that aren't Wal-Mart, haven't sold great. Even Christina Aguilera.
#10879 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 892 weeks ago
That's not true. No Code was one of their best albums! And not counting their live albums that went platinum, the last "hit" record that sold over a million in the US was Yield in 1998. Binaural (2000) sold 718,000 and was #2 on the charts.
Riot Act was their worst at 500,000. Their last album sold over 700,000 in the US (2006) and charted at #2. Backspacer (2009) charted #1.
Those are not failures.
#10880 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl has evolved from UYI to CD? » 892 weeks ago
madagas wrote:agree for the most part....I wish Axl realized that his main skill and talent is raw emotion. We have his dense record now. I wish he would strip it way back down on whatever he does next. Oh well, I'm bored because it has rained 250 inches in Atlanta over the last week. Tn is hanging with Fla though....
I think I would like a stripped down Axl album. I would buy CD if they ever remixed it to a more natural sound. I have always said that I thought some of the songs had potential, but there's so much going on that it ruins the music.
You can say that again, sister. 
Tommy said it best that a huge problem with (recording) the album is that Axl was left to his own devices.
Just take TWAT. There's no teling how fantastic it would sound with just the 3 guitarists in the band. Not 8 guys playing on top of each other.
But I like a song like Better, for example. It's totally outside the box, especially for Axl. I think he really shines on that song, lyrically and vocally and totally fits him, which shows having Chris as his "Izzy" on the CD era is good. It just sucks he doesn' know when to say when.
Axl is desperately in need of a producer who can challenge him and know how to use Axl's producer talents and passions. But this is the double edge sword that comes with total power.
