Acquiesce, you're going to see him guilty no matter what, and that's your right, dude, and I respect it, even though I disagree completely. And I really didn't want to get into this debate, I just wanted to point out some facts I know that you have wrong -- not trying to sway your opinion, because you're going to think what you think anyway, no matter what... But anyway:

The book was from a fan. It had an inscription from the fan who sent it to him and it wasn't in his collection.  It was also along the lines of a Jock Sturges book and isn't anything people would be offended over. Only the Jesus freaks have a real problem with it. Again, its art, its controversial art in some circles for sure, but nothing horrible or pornographic.

I have to say, I hate Bill O'Reilly with a passion. I loathe him. But I'm not faulting him or accussing him of truly sexually harrassing that woman just because he settled with her. Settling a case like that isn't just for the benefit of your family, or because the humiliation, but constantly having it hanging it over your head when you're fighting it takes a huge toll on you. If you have ever been part of a law suit, you'll know why most court cases end in settlement because of the strain it causes. It is not an admission of guilt. People are paying out just to end it. Really, I've seen what lawsuits do to people and families. Its the one thing I understand the most about Axl and what it did to him.

Really, the 30 night thing comes down to who you believe. And, imo, it had less to do with bad parenting and more with manipulation by the parent(s). ie: wanting to "adopt" Michael and planning to build a second wing to their house strikes me as someone trying to mess with Michael's head. The father was a very shrewed man.

He did testify. You're right. But the credibility was shot when he told police repeatedly Michael didn't do anything to him, then his mother immediately turned around, got lawyers to sue and sold her story to Hard Copy.

The only thing that was proven was that the PI got JC's father (on tape! ) talking about the extortion deal. And the people JC told the story to were the ones who said that's how his father got him to remember... He gave him the sedative after pulling the kids tooth. He was a dentist and wannabe screenwriter.

Maureen Orth has been biased in most of her stories, not just MJ. It was the same coverage the tabloids did, by using unamed sources that fit their story angles without getting them substantiated, and having a very scrutinized, and really disgusting, relationship with the DA's office. I could go on forever about this part, but I'm not going to. My head would explode

This is basically what I have to say about that whole subject.

Michael's little girl really made me choke up today. No doubt the media are going to play that clip into the ground

As always, MSL is the most interesting thing going on in the GNR world.

Good to see you back, dude.

Can I just use yours?

Except replace Workin Day And Night, Get On The Floor and In The Closet with:

Rock With You, She's Out Of My Life and PYT.

Pyt... I'm going to have that fucking song in my head all day now.

It's worse, it's Diane Dimond!

This documentary is pretty funny. Mj might as well be called Dr. Evil.:haha:

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When I say child molestors make their own porn its by taking pictures and videos of their victims, even if its for their own use. That is child porn. How is that not believable? I mean, they're not exctaly publishing it for bookstores, but they do do it. I can say pretty certainly that a very, very, very, very, very... very, very very high percentage do this. Whatever psychological aspect you want to draw from that, be my guest.

Oh, and I learned that from the some of the police officers I interviewed about it.

And I will say it again, no law, no matter how severe, is going to deter a sick individual from going after what they want. Again, if that was true and they could control themselves, no one would EVER be arrested for child porn, because they wouldn't do it.

It's not about risk. These aren't bank robbers or normal criminals.

I'm sorry, but that is absolutely not true. Just for an example, there was a preacher who also ran a bible studies class and was in constant contact with children everyday. He molested many of them. He also had a huge child porn collection. He didn't need it, but he had it. And you're using a totally wrong equasion/analogy. Pedophiles are NOT NORMAL PEOPLE. They are mentally ill. Comparing a normal persons life/sexlife/actions to that of a pedophile does not jive.

And child porn is far from being on the fringe. It's frighteningly easy to get on the net. And I think you missed where I wrote "It comes down to accessibility to it."

How am I rubber stamping them? What are the odds, if there were all these victims, that not one of those parents valued their child higher than money? That's ridiculous. I don't care how much money is offered, that wouldn't cross every single one of their minds.

"Gee, this man just molested my son. I'm going to see how much money I'm going to get out of SOB!"

Not one of them called the cops first? All of them, every single one, were horrible parents that would pimp their kids out?

Who's saying she's mother teresa? You skipped that whole quote and took the very last sentence, ignoring that the father put his own son under sedation, with a sedative known for coercing people, after pulling his tooth to get the story he wanted and that the boys description of Mj's genitals didn't match... Okay... Anyway, maybe she did pimp her kid out for a credit card... And maybe he just didn't do it, either.

Not to take this back into tabloid area, but I've had to study child molestors, and nearly every one of them that are caught have child porn in their possession. Their computers are loaded with it. It comes down to accessibility to it. And they almost always make their own porn with their victims. And when it comes down to it, they aren't going to do something because they're afraid it would send them to prison or bring attention to them... I mean, if we went by that logic, that they had that much control over their "urges", they would never molest anyone because of fear of prison. That's the whole point: they can't control themselves. Some are shrewder than others, in that they kill their victims afterwards so not to get caught. But the majority are all destined to get caught because they can't control themselves. Also, the suggestion that he didn't need child porn because of the availability of children to him is kind of... Wrong. There would literally be thousands of victims, and you'd have to figure at least one of those parents wouldn't be content with taking a check for someone raping their kid... That their kid was actually worth more than any amount of money... And the fact you'd be letting a monster molest other children... I'm not buying that. 

Another reason I don't think he did anything is that the first kid, not the family of grifters, but the one most people think he did molest, his father got the kid to "remember" the abuse after pulling his tooth and having him under a sedative -- one which has been proven to make people vulnerable to coercion/suggestion. This was when he was caught on tape trying to extort Mj and actually admitting to not giving a shit about his son. Also, which is kind of important, the kid's description of Mj's genitals were wrong. Even though they tried to say there were similarities its widely believed that that's the reason no charges were ever pressed against Mj in that case... And the fact the boys mother said the father was lying.

What I never knew until recently about the whole thing is that it was Lisa Marie who convinced him to settle with the boys father just to end it when he wanted to fight it.  I kind of understand why, but it was a bad move.