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#1161 Re: The Garden » Covid 19 » 315 weeks ago
Totally disagree, this is not the flu. There have already been over 60k deaths in a few months, not a year. So that statistic means dick. And it's far more contagious and brutal to the body. Just ignoring the douchbaggery, not just 80 year olds are dying, but people working in this economy, including medical workers. If more people get sick, more people will stay home on their own, businesses forcing employees to work will be liable (they're already seeking protection on that, good luck!) so that wrecks the economy anyway. You balance it out, what's worse... These are uncertain and unprecedented times. You manage with a scalpel not a wrecking ball. Shit is going to be tough, but the economy will bounce back.
How many people that were under 55 and "healthy" have died from COVID? We're projected to have 67k dead from COVID by August, slightly more than the flu in 2018. So tell me how making that comparison is unfair, since the demographics of fatalities from the flu and covid are almost identical.
You can call it douchebaggery all you want, but living in irrational fear with no attention given to the numbers isn't intellectualism. It's irrational fear. 30% of our nation's COVID deaths are from NYC alone. It isn't wide spread, and Sweden clearly shows that had we done "nothing" (not something I supported then or now) we wouldn't have the millions dead alarmist "predicted" 6 weeks ago. If you want to destroy the country to keep 50k abandoned old people alive for another year, you can make that argument. But you're not going to get away with pretending that healthy 40 year olds are dropping dead in any significant number from COVID, and not be challenged on it.
Pull up the numbers and make an argument. Just be prepared to defend why 61 million people getting H1N1 in 2009 didn't deserve any kind of action, and this does. Have you even attempted to look at how states are defining COVID deaths compared to other countries?
#1162 Re: The Garden » Covid 19 » 315 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:Weird, the state of Pennsylvania had to knock a couple hundred deaths of its total because it was inappropriately attributing deaths to COVID that were clearly other ailments:
https://abc14news.com/2020/04/26/pennsy … ularities/
That isn't even a real TV stations website.
https://abc14news.com/about-us/ lol, non-profit/ad-free?! Dude, there's ads all over the fuckin place. Whois says it was just registered in 2018. ie; Russian trolls website
Is this better:
https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronav … 00423.html
I picked that site because the original one sent to me was from Ben Shapiro's site, and I figured you'd dismiss it outright.
#1163 Re: The Garden » Covid 19 » 315 weeks ago
What is the number of deaths that warrant destroying the economy and our standard of living? It isn't 65k, since that's how many died from the flu in 2018, and half of you didn't get a flu shot in 2019. I'm seriously asking for an adult conversation here. The only way to truly determine if social distancing and keeping me locked up inside for 7 weeks worked, is to do a comparison from Sweden's deaths based on their demographics, and transpose those numbers to America based on our demographics. I haven't done the math yet (now I know what I'll be doing as soon as I finish this report), but we know it isn't going to be hundreds of thousands of more deaths.
I get that in the 21st century, most people have an unreasonable expectation of mortality protection. But we can't destroy the nation because a bunch of bleeding hearts are worried a bunch of 80 year olds abandoned in a nursing home may finally get the relief our puritanical beliefs oppose.
#1164 Re: The Garden » Covid 19 » 315 weeks ago
Buzz, I have yet to read the entire BuzzFeed post about Sweden, but this article takes the same statistical data (deaths now vs. in years past) to say that we are drastically underreporting deaths in the U.S.
Weird, the state of Pennsylvania had to knock a couple hundred deaths of its total because it was inappropriately attributing deaths to COVID that were clearly other ailments:
https://abc14news.com/2020/04/26/pennsy … ularities/
That's already a clear distinction in our death count and Germany, who is only slightly ahead of our #2 spot in the developed world. Germany is only counting deaths that are strictly COVID, while most places in the US are attributing to COVID any death that may be related, or was a factor in any sense. So if you're on your death bed with bone cancer and die from "COVID", the US counts that death where Germany does not.
The reality is that the figures of hundreds of thousands to millions of deaths didn't manifest. Any study looking at antibodies finds that 15-25% of the population had COVID and didn't even know, making its death rate significantly smaller than what is being reported from confirmed cases.
It's clear this issue has been highly politicized, and the only person anyone wants to hold accountable is Trump. Not the mayor of governor of NY who told people in early March to live as normal. Certainly not the local governments who are largely refusing to enforce any kind of stay at home order. Trump is a fucking retard who tells people to inject bleach to cure the virus, so he must be culpable for everything.
I'm ready to get back to it. I've been told to report back to work Monday. The total amount of COVID deaths are going to be a few thousand more than died from the flu in 2018. I'm not on board to destroy the country while one side plays scare tactics for political gain. "Keep the country closed until we have a vaccine", despite the real mortality rate being sub .2%, and its victims being almost entirely limited to those over the age of 65. And the fact a vaccine for a cornoavirus has never been developed. So when Sweden is back to life as usual in 6-8 weeks, plenty in the US will be boarded inside during a beautiful June day because CNN and progressives need that irrational fear.
1300 people have died in Cook County Illinois so far from COVID, again, almost entirely above the age of 65. 500+ people were killed in Chicago last year. I mean, if you weren't terrfied of being blown away before COVID struck, you really have to ask why you're so afraid of COVID, considering the odds of you becoming seriously ill in your demographic are significantly lower than being shot.
#1165 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 318 weeks ago
Dude.... you’re threatening to beat people up online. C’mon.
#1166 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 318 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:bigbri wrote:I have no doubt he’ll pick the Michigan governor. Biden wins Michigan and Pennsylvania and Trump has virtually no shot.
Biden has to win WI, PA and MI to win the election, if he loses just one Trump wins.
We could do scenarios all day, I guess. Aren't NC and Ariz pretty much toss-ups too? Biden could lose Wisconsin (he will) and win Arizona or North Carolina to replace Wisconsin. Florida is also listed as a tossup, but I'm assuming Trump wins there.
Sure, but if Biden can't win WI, he's not going to win AZ, NC or FL.
#1167 Re: The Sunset Strip » Most Recent Movie You've Seen » 318 weeks ago
I downloaded and watched basically every movie that was out at the box office and premiered on HBO. Invisible man was disappointing. The way back was a let down. I wanted to like the kitchen, but I feel it never found its ground. Queen and Slim was ok, but didn’t have that “it” factor. Excited for Black Widow and Wonderwoman.
#1168 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 318 weeks ago
I have no doubt he’ll pick the Michigan governor. Biden wins Michigan and Pennsylvania and Trump has virtually no shot.
Biden has to win WI, PA and MI to win the election, if he loses just one Trump wins.
#1169 Re: The Garden » Covid 19 » 318 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:It’s looking like 60k Americans will die from COVID. Less than the 61k who died of the flu, and less than the 67k who overdosed in 2018. I fully support the lockdown measures, but this needs to end soon. We can’t take a wrecking ball to the world economy to try to prevent the death amount of people who OD each year. Are you willing to live like this each flu season? If not, you understand the point.
It's 60K WITH the shutdowns!!! The number is possibly 300K without them!!
Are you implying I was saying otherwise? I said I support the lockdown, but this needs to end soon. We can't destroy the world so your 80 year old grandma gets 3 more years at her nursing home. As someone who admitted they've never gotten a flu vaccine, you're part of the problem come flu season. More people will have died from the flu last year than died of COVID this year, and you still won't get a vaccine this fall. So don't talk about how much you care or are informed on this, when you can't be bothered to get a free vaccine each year are your local CVS.
#1170 Re: The Garden » Covid 19 » 318 weeks ago
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/cor … 13435b574e
CDC is now telling “essential workers” to return to work unless they’re showing symptoms, regardless of exposure. This is the start.
Don’t go to work if you’re sick. It shouldn’t take a pandemic to get that behavior. This should be the standard soon for all employees, and still practice social distancing as practical.
