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#1352 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 511 weeks ago

He impressed me with his speech. Previously I didn't think those were part of his strong points, but he delivered when it mattered.

If Hillary doesn't react to this I see him walking away with it. Long time to go though.

#1353 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 511 weeks ago

Donald Trump bounces into the lead

Donald Trump comes out of his convention ahead of Hillary Clinton in the race for the White House, topping her 44% to 39% in a four-way matchup including Gary Johnson (9%) and Jill Stein (3%) and by three points in a two-way head-to-head, 48% to 45%. That latter finding represents a 6-point convention bounce for Trump, which are traditionally measured in two-way matchups.

There hasn't been a significant post-convention bounce in CNN's polling since 2000. That year Al Gore and George W. Bush both boosted their numbers by an identical 8 points post-convention before ultimately battling all the way to the Supreme Court.

The new findings mark Trump's best showing in a CNN/ORC Poll against Clinton since September 2015. Trump's new edge rests largely on increased support among independents, 43% of whom said that Trump's convention in Cleveland left them more likely to back him, while 41% were dissuaded. Pre-convention, independents split 34% Clinton to 31% Trump, with sizable numbers behind Johnson (22%) and Stein (10%). Now, 46% say they back Trump, 28% Clinton, 15% Johnson and 4% Stein.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/25/polit … index.html

#1354 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 512 weeks ago

monkeychow wrote:

What's odd to me as an Australian is the quality of these candidates.

Odd how? Their style? The quality is certainly not much better in my part of the west.

Like surely out of everyone on the left Hillary isn't the best candidate, and surely there's better right wing guys than Trump?

Arguably the last two elections were even worse for the GOP. Most "good quality" leaders get the hell out of dodge in this game long before they get a chance to run for anything big. Whenever I see our politicians on the telly I think to myself "I don't know a single person who acts and talks like that". Like they're a different breed.

I'm trying to picture this Trump presidency Randall mentions.

To my reasoning I can see some might thinkhe's "fun" because he doesn't seem like a crafted political candidate, but as a dude whose Dad gave him $100m in his 20s...(along the lines of Billions in todays dollars) he's not exactly a self-made man either - he's still old money from the usual circles who control everything (and who seem to control both sides).

His dad gave him that money after Trump had showed he had capacity for business and leadership. There were other kids in that family, but not all of them got hundreds of millions. He had a good start no doubt, but which of these politicians didn't? He's not old money either, that takes a bit more time.

But what worries me is the skill set. Seems like his qualifications are that he's rich and he's sick of the globalist agenda. Fair enough but doesn't he need a little more than that to be top dog in your country?

The only skill set needed in politics is to look good. Better than the next man. The natural consequence of electing leaders based on popularity. Really, who cares how good they are at it? It's almost irrelevant to the leadership of a nation. At least Trump has some real life skills, most of these politicians have been living in a bubble all their lives.

I'm trying to picture him negotiating a dispute with China or Russia, or some complex international issue that might arise.

Politics and rhetoric aside I just can't picture him having the diplomacy to handle stuff like that without wars starting. He doesn't seem like the guy for it.

Trump seems like the exact type of guy you want when there are criminals and dictators on the other side, but that's just me. Don't see how any of the candidates on both sides would be much better in that situation. Christie? Rubio? Sanders? I wouldn't even buy a used car from them.

#1355 Re: The Garden » Possible terror attack in Germany - at least 8 killed » 512 weeks ago

Dude was Iranian. When it comes to terrorism that means Muslim.

#1356 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 512 weeks ago

This campaign is officially the best ever:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KtzdP7mR-4

Thx to Crass Communication

#1357 Re: Guns N' Roses » 20/7/16 GILLETTE STADIUM, FOXBORO, MA UNITED STATES » 512 weeks ago

A surprise to say the least, though less so after Sorry was played. Pretty ironic that they are breaking out more CD songs now that the Slash and Duff are back. Could indicate they like the material (or they are just jumping on the chance to play something fresh).

Pretty typical for Axl on these type of songs. Shouldn't be too hard to sing you think, but he still struggles a bit. Not the worst he's done, but not the best either.

#1358 Re: Guns N' Roses » Ideal Setlist Part 3: Raw Power vs. New Rose vs. Attitude » 512 weeks ago

I'd say all three are weaker songs from TSI. RP because Axl sings it.

#1359 Re: The Garden » Turkish Army Attempt to Stage Coup » 512 weeks ago

The attempt was so weak I'm inclined to put it in the hoax category. Something giving Erdogan an excuse to implement extreme measures.

As to the legality of coups I'll quote Anthony from Rome: If we lose it's a crime, if we win it isn't.

#1360 Re: Guns N' Roses » Ideal Setlist Part 2: Coma vs. There Was A Time » 513 weeks ago

Coma easily, because they can pull it off. The best parts of TWAT Axl can not sing and Slash can't play.

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