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#141 Re: Guns N' Roses » UYI Box tracklist unveiled? » 210 weeks ago
davegnfnr2k wrote:elevendayempire wrote:The biggest sticking point, as always, seems to be "why no new album?" Frankly I think that's coloured by the leaks – if Hard Skool had dropped and we'd never heard the leak, fans would've been over the fucking moon – an all-new hard rock song with Slash and Duff on it. The fact that we're all aware the new material being released is reheated Chinese leftovers colours our response to it, but it's still new studio material, it's new to the vast majority of the public, and by the looks of it there's an EP about to drop.
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This is simply not true since 99% of GNR fans never heard the hard school leak and thought Hard Skool sucked. It also got like zero radio play bc again it sucked. No one cared.
Also if it wasn't for the leaks then GNR would have released no music and we would not have heard anything.
The only reason why CD was released is bc the leaks forced the album out.Only reason why we got hard skool as a single is bc it leaked, same goes for absurd.
My point is simply that hardcore fans drive enthusiasm for new material, and if those hardcore fans have either heard or are aware that the "new" songs are based on two-decade-old leaks, it saps that enthusiasm. Hypothetically, imagine Perhaps hadn't dropped in the leaks, and in 2022, GN'R dropped a song called Perhaps with Slash and Duff. The hardcore fans would have no idea that it wasn't written and recorded in the last year, and would sing its praises to the hilt.
But as it is, if and when they do release Perhaps, the hardcore fans will immediately go "meh, heard it before," "The Robin solo was better," "I preferred the drums on the original" or whatever. The enthusiasm from the niche community of fans that activates (in marketing speak) the wider community is missing. It's widely known in marketing circles that small, hyper-engaged communities are the ones that drive enthusiasm in the wider market; the fact that 99% of GNR fans never heard the Hard School leak is utterly irrelevant. The 1% that matters did.
That's the band's fault for sitting on this for so long, not the hardcore fans who've wanted to hear these tracks for the past 20 years. Do the AFD boxset in 2017 on the actual anniversary and push Hard Skool + Absurd (and who knows maybe more!) in 2018 and there's no 2019 leaks killing the hype of a release in 2021.
If the album had come out earlier in 00-04 when next to no leaks had happened, again the fanbase would have been ecstatic. Instead, all that ecstasy was used up through 05-08 when the majority of the album leaked. By the time the album came out the only songs that hadn't been heard were Scraped, Sorry & This I Love.
The lesson here is obvious - the longer they sit on this stuff without pulling the trigger the likelier it is that earlier versions of these songs leak online and steal the thunder from their release. If the Spotify search results actually do mean something is coming and they are prepping a release soon of State of Grace, Atlas Shrugged, Perhaps, Soul Monster, The General then that's great. But the longer they wait the likelier it is those songs leak.
Each day is another day where someone who has those tracks can send them to a friend, or trade them with someone else who has other things they want, or sell them to someone. The more hands those songs pass through, the likelier it becomes they turn up online. If the versions they're planning to release leak say 2-3 weeks before the official date, then that's one thing - that's how the music business is sometimes these days. If it's versions of these songs from 2006 or from the rumoured 2010 verison of CD2, that's not so great and really kills the buzz.
They could be planning to release next week, next month or maybe next year. But if tomorrow a circa 2008 clip of The General or Soul Monster was to start circulating then they'll be kicking themselves they didn't release in June like Slash suggested they might earlier this year.
The band is the one to blame for old leaks killing the buzz of their releases. They should learn their lesson and get these songs out there, especially if they're finished and all recording, mixing and mastering is done.
#142 Re: Guns N' Roses » UYI Box tracklist unveiled? » 210 weeks ago
People who already have the demos could share them so that we don't need to wait for the band to never release them.
#143 Re: Guns N' Roses » SOG single coming? » 210 weeks ago
but looks like an EP
This something you've heard or you just speculating like the rest of us?
#144 Re: Guns N' Roses » UYI Box tracklist unveiled? » 210 weeks ago
How long until the $500 package is half off? I want the vinyl, but know this will be a clearance rack item in 12 months.
I'm in the same boat here. $500 is steep but I get why, it's 12LPs and vinyl is expensive these days. My guess is it all gets reduced in price after Christmas.
#145 Re: Guns N' Roses » UYI Box tracklist unveiled? » 210 weeks ago
Ritz 91 Bluray confirmed. Transferred from film to 4K UHD, then released on this Bluray as 1080p with HiRes audio and Dolby Atmos 5.1
Also November Rain has had the synth orchestra replaced with a real orchestra, so it isn't a typo - it's a new 2022 version.
Those are the highlights content-wise. Also a nice hardcover book with photos + some other random replica merch.
#146 Re: Guns N' Roses » UYI Box tracklist unveiled? » 210 weeks ago
Axl S wrote:So someone on the Discord pointed something interesting out.
Usually these digital releases follow the physical disc edition tracklistings. Well look at "Disc 3" on that Qobuz tracklisting page.
It's impossible to fit everything under Disc 3 on one disc. It would take about 4 CDs to fit both those shows.
It only makes sense for that to be listed as Disc 3 if Disc 3 is a Bluray. We maybe are getting some proshot.
Btw, would you wanna join a new GNR discord that just started? The aim of it is to be comprised at least at a 60/40 or 70/30 ratio of community old timers and skew toward an older (25/30+) user base, as opposed to the other servers which have mainly Gen Z. It’s just starting, with barely any people. But you’re welcome if you’d like to be part of it.
I'm in two good ones at the moment, but I've left some bad ones like WAR room and Tarpits because some of the posters in there were just nasty. Lots of shitposting, pathetic infights between users and lots of casual racism etc. If your Discord ISN'T like those ones then sure, shoot me an invite via PMs.
#147 Re: Guns N' Roses » UYI Box tracklist unveiled? » 210 weeks ago
So someone on the Discord pointed something interesting out.
Usually these digital releases follow the physical disc edition tracklistings. Well look at "Disc 3" on that Qobuz tracklisting page.
It's impossible to fit everything under Disc 3 on one disc. It would take about 4 CDs to fit both those shows.
It only makes sense for that to be listed as Disc 3 if Disc 3 is a Bluray. We maybe are getting some proshot.
#148 Re: Guns N' Roses » SOG single coming? » 210 weeks ago
I would think Quick Song has a proper name now. Is Tonto showing up now too?
Here in the UK I get related results for:
"Atlas Shrugged"
"state of grace"
"soul mon"
"the general"
"i wanna be your dog"
On "soul mon" I just get GN'R under artist. For the rest it specifically brings up Hard Skool, not just the track but the actual "album" that it sits on in Spotify's DB, and sometimes Absurd.
Haven't found any other titles or even trying different lyrics from Perhaps, that give any results yet.
#149 Re: Guns N' Roses » UYI Box tracklist unveiled? » 210 weeks ago
No demos or some unreleased track is a real letdown.
Video of these shows and/or the never released documentary save this. Not holding out hope at this point. We'll see when they do the official announcement, which should be today... right?
This release having no "new" single of any sort to push does free up space to also push a certain bunch of other "new" tracks though.... wishful thinking probably.
#150 Re: Guns N' Roses » Hard Skool: Does it date from ‘96? » 210 weeks ago
It also included all the song titles for a potential second album.
Titles that were later verified years later with the 2019 leaks like Perhaps & Tonto. Means either that list of song titles was legitimate OR MSL knew about/had some tracks long ago and sprinkled them into some elaborate fake. I think the former though.
IIRC that list had stuff like ChiDem2 Better2 etc on it as well. Maybe Axl also wanted to release newer versions of those songs?
If you then think about how Absurd is near identical to the BBF demo… what if the reworked Better intro predates the NITL reunion?
