You are not logged in. Please register or login.
- Topics: Active | Unanswered
#17431 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » New GNR vs old GNR/ GNR vs Velvet Revolver thread » 945 weeks ago
war wrote:russtcb wrote:My point is that if you played them for someone and told them it was the old band they feel differently about them.
i agree 100 percent. i'd say atleast 75 percent of the negative feedback comes from old timers and 99 percent of those old timers know that it is a new band before they even hear the leaks and so they rip them immediately. the music isn't getting a fair chance and isn't gonna get one when the album is released. hopefully, the album will replace the lost fans with new ones.
But why tell them its the old band? doesnt that defeat the whole purpose of haveing a new band and letting them forge their own identity? its amazing that a few of the most stalwart fans of the new band would even think of doing that...people should know who are on the tracks so their merits can stand on their own
Acquiesce wrote:My point was simply that you can't discredit Slash's soloing on NR by saying that anyone can solo on that song and it would still be great. I personally don't agree with that because I believe Slash's soloing is what makes that song so epic. It wasn't meant to discredit Axl or the new band. Some people are way too sensitive.
this is a fantastic post acquiesce...and that is my point too...war you started that train of thought and its incredibly disrespectful to slash...and a discredit to how amazing the material is that slash did while in guns n roses....two of the songs which most peopel credit solely too axl some how you seem to forget that Axl was extremely grateful that Slash was able to come up with such a great cap to some of his most personal songs...and axl says as much in the liner notes of UYI's and he says it also in an interview for the making fucking videos trilogy
Because once again, that's not the point that's trying to be proven. The new band will stand on their own, because other than playing GN'R classics live, Axl has made an extreme point to never associate the new era to the old era, past the name. If that were the case, Axl would've just went and got some good GN'R tribute band guitarist to take over Slash's role. He didn't. He tried to re-invent the band.
But how do new band fans ever 100% judge a negative review on the band and their music, as the gospel? Who do we believe? How can we believe? When 9 times out of 10, if I were to take ANY new GN'R song, tell someone on the street it's old GN'R, and they'd foam all over it. But if I tell them it's new GN'R, they'd spit venom of hate against it. If I tell them it's a new band on the scene, they'd most likely be neutral to positive (which has been the case in the last few years).
The old vs. new argument is tired, I agree, but the old fans have to see the new fans side of the argument. It's tough to believe critics and old fans alike, when WE know that if Slash were to replace Robin tomorrow, suddenly the new band would be validated... and that's simply not fair to anyone involved in Guns from 1997/98 to the present.
#17432 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy torrents » 945 weeks ago
I almost never use torrents, opting for direct links. I've never encountered any viruses or fake files, although I have caught a couple loaded with all kinds of adverts and spam for various websites.
#17433 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » New GNR vs old GNR/ GNR vs Velvet Revolver thread » 945 weeks ago
The funniest thing about the last couple of pages is that Buzzsaw TOTALLY MISSED THE POINT.
No one (war or russ) is saying the music is as good, and the comparison to My World or Shotgun Blues is an obvious radical statement, just for the sake of it. Silkworms is better than those fuckin' songs.
The point that is being driven home is alot like alot of the blogger posts on RollingStone.com I personally feel, as do alot that the large majority feel that way.
It's not that you would do a 'blind test' and tell people listening it's some new band, do you like the music. You TELL THEM it's Guns N' Roses, but it's the reunion album. I guarantee you they'll bust a nut all over the results on how great it is and how great Slash is.... and he isn't even on it.
Alot of the hate (not all) will come SOLELY from people that will hate it, because THE MEDIA has BRAINWASHED THEM to hate it. It must suck, because Slash isn't there, when it fact even the worst new GN'R leaks shit all over ANYTHING VR has done. I was actually disappointed more in Weiland with VR. They were one of the most mainstream, commercial and manufactured bands of the mid-90's.
#17434 Re: Guns N' Roses » Baz mentions Axl, possible Xmas shows (July '08) » 945 weeks ago
She recognized it right off the bat, and went off about how much he sucks and this is a travesty and it's all John Rich's fault, he's destroyed country music.
It was hilarious.
#17435 Re: Guns N' Roses » New Bumblefoot Interview (w/ Shackler's Info) » 945 weeks ago
Great interview. Ron really drives home what alot of new GN'R "FANS" (not those fake people out there) feel about the band, and those who love this music.
Great job on Shackler. Anybody that thinks Ron can't kick ass is wrong, even though I think it's pretty obvious Buckethead wrote it.
#17436 Re: Guns N' Roses » Baz mentions Axl, possible Xmas shows (July '08) » 945 weeks ago
My mom loves country music, and HATES Sebastian Bach.
Oh, this is gonna fun showing her this video!
#17437 Re: Guns N' Roses » Certain Guns fans bands worst enemy! » 945 weeks ago
What in the fuck bright?
Normally you're a solid poster, but this came out of left field.
I think you're forgetting one thing, just because some jackass posts on a GN'R blog or a GN'R forum does not mean they are GN'R "fan". There's TONS AND TONS AND TONS of trolls that patrol the internet, and INTENTIONALLY say inflammatory things just to get a rise out of people.
And you fell for it.
#17438 Re: Guns N' Roses » Baz mentions Axl, possible Xmas shows (July '08) » 945 weeks ago
Yep, I didn't expect this board to be huge country fans, but the singles are good. Personally I think there is more rock in Country then there is in the so-called Rock Top 40.
Now THAT statement I agree with.
Yeah but the difference is, Baz has two amazing country songs in "one battle with the bottle and Jumpin off the wagon
those songs are great whether u like country or not. They are also great cause Bach isnt a poser doing country. The songs really are HIM and his well documented battles so they don't come across as lame. He doesn't seem like a sell out in these songs as they fit him well.
They certaintly are not great. But they aren't as bad as I expected them to be. Baz's voice is still Baz's voice. It sounds like a metal singer being backed by a country band.
In that "Battle With The Bottle" video, he looks like fuckin' Ozzy in "The Ultimate Sin" with that cowboy hat on.
#17439 Re: The Garden » McCain lies? Caves? Or Obama was right? » 945 weeks ago
McCain could be the milk of human kindness, and totally innocent in this... bottom line, he came across as an asshole.
#17440 Re: Guns N' Roses » Baz mentions Axl, possible Xmas shows (July '08) » 945 weeks ago
The thing is, alot of these artists think they are doing something special to record a country album, and in reality those in the country business FUCKING HATE when contemporary artists do country albums. It undermines their work.
Baz doing country will go nowhere, just like Bret Michaels.
