Agreed. This truely shows how ridiculous it has become to be a GN'R fan in it's current form. If fans even offer the slightest constructive criticism they are ridiculed and called non-supportive.

This is the final straw.

Here's a reality check for the GN'R camp from a new band supporter...

1) It's not Guns N' Roses. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. You already have a list 80 miles long of enemies, don't make your fans enemies either. It's not 1991. You can't rebound.

2) Axl is a control freak. Period. Whether by accident or on purpose, he treats the new band like employees, and they speak like employees. They guard everything they say, even just saying how they like a particular song. Ron can't even give us the name of Song #2. Why? What would it hurt?

3) This is obviously a 'spite war' launched by the GN'R camp. They are intentionally being assholes, just because. And for no reason. 'Cause someone downloaded a leaked song? What do you expect them to do?

4) I have nothing personally against Fernando or Beta, but they, along with Del have become MAJOR liabilities to future progress of Guns N' Roses. It's time to let them go. Axl should feel free to continue his friendship with them, but on a business level it's time to cut dead weight. Why has this situation been handled so unprofessionally? Because people who AREN'T professionals are handling them.

5) This also applies to the old band, and this war between them and Axl that has just become absolutely childish. Weiland is better off, and so is Finck.

6) I don't think Irving Azoff has his hand in ANY of this. It's not his style. Axl is below him, and this high school bullshit between the GN'R camp and the fans, would've been laughed at by him.

7) Leaks don't hurt GN'R in the least, unless GN'R knows the new music sucks fuckin' ass, and they don't want bad word getting out their prematurely. If they are great, it creates hype. Beta & Del and all of those that say "it hurts GN'R" are full of shit. It only hurt GN'R because Axl REFUSES to put out the album, now he wants to put it out imo, and he's waiting so long, that the record company are scared no one gives a fuck anymore.

8) This mystery and PR stuff was kind of mysterious & cool in 2001 & 2002 when GN'R first re-emerged. Now it's just beyond fuckin' GAY. GAY! No longer is Axl and his people looking like just tyrannical assholes... they just look like pathetic douche bags.

9) I believe EVERYTHING MSL is saying is the truth. We've seen this game played TIME AND AGAIN with Axl. Beta, although she seems to be cool at shows, has ALWAYS made snide remarks to the internet fan community. Axl called it a garbage can in 2001. Beta makes intentional bitchy comments like "the album has been finished. Everyone knows that". No they don't. They don't know that because the GN'R camp doesn't communicate with their fans at all. Yep, hate to break it to the old ass geezers in the GN'R camp but internet fans = core fans in 2008. You piss us off - you lose. Period.

10) Del has called fans out time and again on the internet, including GNR.com. These people are not the bad guys. There's one bad guy - W. Axl Rose. They are relaying HIS information. The pussy doesn't have enough balls himself to just fucking say it to the fans. The reason he doesn't, and he knows himself it'd be career suicide. The media would run with it, and he would never rebound.

11) I truely hope Azoff has a reunion in the works. It at this point is the ONLY thing to save the name of Guns N' Roses. Even if CD gets released, which I think it's coming soon (maybe for real this time), it still won't repair the damage.

...and in closing whether good or bad... MSL will be a LEGEND in the GN'R community forever, lmao.

I really don't think Axl would construct a song to attack his own fanbase. He needs all the friends & supporters he can get, and especially after the tirade by Del James that was put up on GNR.com and quickly yanked down.

No way their PR department (Axl) would let a song of all things go out there in the mainstream as an attack on the fans. Sure there are bad fans, but there's also good fans that love the music, love anything GN'R, and support Axl 100%. To turn on his own fans would be no different than eating a bullet. He would alienate his last line of defense.

Then again, that logic didn't stop Lars Ulrich for launching a lawsuit, which he now regrets. And if Shackler is about the fanbase, Axl will regret it too.

This is speaking in theory of course. I personally think it's about the old band.

No.

But then again you're talking about a band fronted by a guy whose attacked audience members for calling him a "pussy".

The cool thing about all this is... I guess. Axl's is still Axl.

You are sorely wrong DbeDz.

My father has worked there part-time for many years, and Wal-Mart is FAMOUS for doing big deluxe special limited edition box sets of their 'big' signed artists right around the holiday season. They usually push it big time on 'Black Friday' the big selling day after Thanksgiving.

Last year they had a huge 2-CD/1-DVD set of Garth Brooks greatest hits, along with a DVD of all his videos for only $11.96. They also were selling The Eagles double-disc new album for only $11.96.

If this is true, GN'R might be legitimately tying some kind of promotion into Wal-Mart and the holiday season. AC/DC is already signed up this year too. Last year they pushed Brooks & The Eagles, i'm wondering if this year will be GN'R/AC-DC and next year... someone else, etc.

Totally plausible, if true this will make GN'R, Universal & Wal-Mart ALL a TON of scratch this holiday season.

I'm just hoping it's like a 6-disc box set calling CD I-IV, GN'R-revisted (remixes), and a disc of axed songs & demos.

I hate Wal-Mart, if I got to be honest, with this music stuff - they go BIG with it.