It's hard to know how to take MSL.

He's done some good stuff for fans, well - depending on your perspective anyway, like some some of his original leaking of rarities. Additionally he seems to be engaging to listen to and he tells a good story. I suspect in real life he is probably a good guy.

However, to me it kind of "jumped the shark" a little when he got his hands on all that data later and started actively threatening and blackmailing the band. I mean, hell, we all want an end to the hoarding of leaks from traders and shit, but it's another matter entirely to demand GNR start following your own plan for the band.

It's also hard to take anything he says too seriously, as he's self-admitted to lying about GNR when it suits him (such as his original trick the hoarders campaign) and he seems to have developed an almost pathological need for attention and drama.

Further, and this isn't MSL's fauly entirely, but I'm just sick of Scooby-Do. His posts are always full of games and vague hints and innuendo, but he never just comes out directly says what he claims he knows. To him and his kind it's kinda a case of man up and share the info regardless of the legal ramifications or simply shut the fuck up about it. One or the other please.

It's not just lame it's kinda pathetic that they took until 2016 to patch up a dispute that started somewhere around 1993.

No, I meant those asian 2009 shows are  my favourite year for bootlegs - cos they played some of the CD songs like TWAT and axl was doing the screams. Unfortunately I wasn't there until they came to Australia in 2010 and by then the set was less interesting.

Best show I was actually at was 1993 UYI tour in Melbourne Australia.

But it isn't the same logic I used. I think we must be misunderstanding each other.

My point for Matt was that I believe irrespective of the song credits that the drumming on UYI is distinctive and awesome. The guy who plays the drums.

My point for Frank is that I believe that the drumming on CD is fairly bland and indistinctive.  Further, with the exception of 3 songs it isn't frank playing those drums.

Therefore I find it odd that people say Frank is the best drummer ever, as you are comparing 3 songs with adequate drumming against 3 albums of excellent drumming.

Unless the concept that he is best comes from his live performance, in which case I'd also disagree, he's great live but I don't find him particularly better than Matt, and in fact I miss some of Matt's signature sounds.

Can you clarify - are you saying those records are superior as a whole (the complete songs) or that the drumming is better?

It's not the same thing to me. For example TWAT is one of my fav GNR songs but that's for the vocals not the drums. I could take or leave the drums. So on a drum level Right Next Door to Hell > There was a Time. BUT on overall songs I'd rate TWAT > RNDTH.

So that was my other point. If we're talking full songs not the drums specifically I don't think you can say Frank is better than Matt because CD>UYI - as (if) it's better it's because the overall songs are better. In my opinion if Matt had been drummer on CD and given those CD songs we would have better drums than we got.