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#181 Re: Guns N' Roses » Doug Goldstein Letter to Axl » 658 weeks ago

The point is Ali, I think your mails lack humanity...that is not a personal attack, its just how I take your style of posting. Its analytical, formal and legalistic.
You defend Axl to the last, in the same way across three fan forums, on a daily basis - wracking up hundreds of emails.
You never goof, you never joke, its just this cool, controlled flow of formal semantics.
You seem like a good sort, it would be nice to see you cut loose now and again!
Do you ever get bored? I mean half the nutso rubbish I write here is more out of boredom and a chance to see what the others here will write back; not with some great plan to protect or destroy the lives of a bunch of rich rocker assholes who I do not know.
You seem to take your role very seriously, and with serious committment to the point where I actually thought you might work for Axl.
Maybe?

#182 Re: Guns N' Roses » AXL ROSE Reportedly Close to Losing Lawsuit Against ACTIVISION For Fea » 658 weeks ago

The  million dollar question is "Does Axl feel that his band can write anything that means something to him?"
The last two years would say not.
Most tour cycles would be long ended by now unless you are a nostalgia act where new albums are curios picked up by your hardcores and the bills get paid on tour playing the hits.

The thing is now, it would never be a better time to put the old guys together for one last time to create a double album. Play on the creative tensions between the parties by having each side committ 100% to working on the other guys tunes. You get an album full of Axl tunes with his style and an album full of rockers done by Duff, Izzy & Slash. At this stage, what the fuck would there be to loose...their legacy??? PTFFF

This double album would actually give fans everything from bar brawl boogie from Slash to long brooding cinematic songs from Axl and all in between. Every GNR fan would get something. Then head out on tour, play the shit out of it with 15 tunes from the old days then retire GNR for good. Fuck the legacy and the critics, just give us your best shot and respect the other guys vision.

My Bloody Valentine are back after 12 years of writing one album and by all appearances their fans are back in their droves.
If only someone could talk sense into those GNR prima donnas.

#183 Re: Guns N' Roses » AXL ROSE Reportedly Close to Losing Lawsuit Against ACTIVISION For Fea » 658 weeks ago

I have no sympathy, it's lazy business management again. Axl also wanted VR off the game which was childish and vindictive.
Walk on home boy!

#184 Re: Guns N' Roses » Doug Goldstein Letter to Axl » 659 weeks ago

I'll post a link to the rest of that article later. If you read the interview its clear that Axl believed the band must evolve using his vision as the UYI era was by his design (at least in his own mind). They were selling out stadiums etc so I guess the guy felt justified in making his presence felt upon the others.
Upon reading that article again, I think what happened to Axl is what happened to many investors in the crash; things went so well for so long that they no longer believed they could make a bad decision. They took bad advise from blood suckers and just kept rolling the dice, getting more arrogant and meaner.

Axl did the same. He saw himself as the creator of "Stadium GNR". Axl was turning GNR into an Elton John type set up, where the entire band worked in harmony to help the incredible showman on the piano to deliver his musical vision. Doug saw this too, probably saw himself as Axl's right hand man (and massive money maker) and set about clearing the decks of all "equals" (i.e. Slash & Duff) to ensure Axl realised this destiny.

Problem was, both men misjudged just how much Slash & Duff brought to the table, both musically and in the spirit of GNR, which people absolutely loved.

#185 Re: Guns N' Roses » Doug Goldstein Letter to Axl » 659 weeks ago

I think this exerpt from an old interview says it all to me. Here Axl is discussing Izzy's departure and his move to being the top dog in the band.

MUSICIAN: Does that take something out of the band? It seems as if Guns N' Roses has gone from being a shared vision to being your vision. Is that fair?

AXL:

"Yeah, it's somewhat fair. That's definitely the case with Izzy. Izzy wanted the financial rewards and the power rewards of my vision. Izzy's vision was much smaller. The other guys in the band just thought I was crazy. In order to make certain things happen, certain people had to think certain ideas were completely their own. I definitely knew what I wanted. I didn't know quite how to get there. And sometimes the only way to have everybody going the same place is to allow them to think that they're the ones who thought of it. It's not so much that way anymore and it's been real difficult to uncover that reality. It's been hard for people to accept. But it has been a basic reality of Guns N' Roses since the beginning. It just wasn't seen. Because I wasn't someone who had all the answers and all the plans, I just had a vision. I wasn't necessarily someone that people wanted to follow blindly and say, "He's got the plan, let's go." I've finally earned respect from Duff and Slash that wasn't necessarily fully there before. And Slash and I, more than anyone else, are very much a team."


The term "the power rewards of my vision" never left me after I read it. Axl saw GNR as the realisation of his vision which he felt gave him the right to all of the power; I bet Doug really talked that shit up too. I think Axl believed that just having the "vision" was enough, he admits himself above that he couldn't plan how to execute the vision. I bet Doug promised him he'd take care of that part,  This tee'd up the exit of Duff and Slash as they (rightly) wanted a say in how the band evolved.

Doug's, creepy crawling letter shows me just what kind of a man he is... He was told by Axl he had replaced Izzy and I bet he figured he'd replace Slash & Duff while he was at it. Axl was so busy with his "art" and his "visions" that he was happy to let this man do the dirty work to enure the "visions" became reality. This would explain Slash's very public loathing of Doug.
Axl bought Doug's BS and ended up with a monster legacy that he couldn't carry alone.

#186 Re: Guns N' Roses » Doug Goldstein Letter to Axl » 659 weeks ago

that letter made my skin crawl...

#188 Re: Guns N' Roses » Skwerl's post on MyGNR regarding his leak and his source » 660 weeks ago

I think some of you are being unfair to Slash. The man is TRYING and succeeding, without GNR on the posters at the big venues he packs out.

He has a legacy which he naturally must serve to please a portion of his fan base but he does work his unit like a fluid functioning well managed band with new tunes and strong communication with fans etc

His output may have been patchy but he has had the balls to deliver said output and stand over it. I know of no other guitar player who has ever done what he has done.

For that he gets my vote as the one who was most hard done by when it comes to the destiny he could have had. He has proven he was the business engine of GNR whose role Axl could not fill when it all became his.

#189 Re: Guns N' Roses » Skwerl's post on MyGNR regarding his leak and his source » 661 weeks ago

People, there's no point in members going at each other over personal taste...its what makes the world go around.

Plus, every one of our heros in this band (old and new) are old and and loosing pieces of what they were that made us love them, some more than others (I'm looking at you Axl Rose) but still, we don't know what's up there. It could be food adddiction, booze, pills, meds, thyroid failure, diabetes...who the fuck knows....?

To get to some of the many topics in this thread...

Myles is technically brilliant but like many of you I find the nasal quality really annoying. He should do what Mike Patton did between The Real Thing and  Angel Dust, retrain your voice and get rid of that bad timbre.

Each to their own though...he is working at the highest level in the Rock Industry and seems like a nice bloke so hats off to him.

regarding asking Slash back...

1.
After RNRHOF Slash said he was "done" with the whole thing. I don't believe Slash has it in him to tour for 2 years on a knife edge with a lead singer that may or may not show or worse, turn on him half way through the trip. I bet he's making plenty of $$$ without Axl Rose being in his life.

2.
No man from the old GNR will take ANY orders from Team Brazil. After the way they hung Slash out to dry when he showed up at the house looking to meet Axl, I doubt Slash would even entertain a call from those people. Likewise, I would not expect a mature adult and astute businessman like Duff swallow that turd burger either.

3.
Who the fuck wants to work with people in their thirties, forties and fifties who keep lists of their "enemies" or "devils" ?

4.
What record company / promoter would lay down €150M in advance for this tour at this time? Would you if you were asked? Most of those big money talks were years ago at this stage anway.

5.
What would a reunited band bring to the fan? Axl's been on the Greatest Hits tour forever..would the millions of fans turn out around the world for this AGAIN..even with the old guys?

6.
Would Axl do interviews, articles, podcasts, tweets, etc to promote this? Would he and Slash be willing to eat some crow and be gracious and decent about each other?

7.
Who would be the manager, tour manager etc?

You bundle all of that together and I just cannot see why anyone would be bothered trying to gather this thing to together and driving it home.

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