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#2171 Re: Guns N' Roses » Prostitute » 926 weeks ago

James Lofton wrote:
war wrote:

any attempt at going all techno/digital would have been rejected by just about everybody.

You mean like the album currently on shelves?


If he wants to take risks, just go ahead and take them. He has nothing to lose at this point.

Absolutely agree. CD's disappointing numbers (in GN'R terms) showed that Axl can't sit on two horses at the same time with one butt. He has to decide between the old GN'R and his new music influences. He can't have both at the same time.
Most old fans don't consider this new line-up GN'R, so even if they bought CD, they won't buy the next record. It's not their music.  For the new generation GN'R is an old band and they'd run out of the world hearing songs like SOD, CITR or This I Love. It's not their music. Axl should risk more, since CD really turned out to be his Shaq at the free-throw line album.
Now either move on drastically into the zone of more agressive electronica or what he wants to experiment, and put out albums regularly, or call the old guys and go back to the blues-based hard-rock. But Yesterdays-type of songs don't work with Pitman. Nuff said.

#2172 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Duff says statement aout VR coming within days!!!! » 926 weeks ago

I think if they haven't found the right guy they should announce a long-break, start new bands with other musicians and then if they'll feel a strong need to come together and do something together, then find someone. Today people who can sing are often labeled as 'hair band has-beens', others look and sound the same, and as they could have realized, talented singers are mostly assholes. It's really not easy.

#2174 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Elimination Round 10 » 927 weeks ago

Better. I liked it, but can't listen the song anymore, I got bored of it.

#2175 Re: Guns N' Roses » Prostitute » 927 weeks ago

Yeah, Axl used the NIN The Downward spiral method, where Trent added and added different pieces time to time, to make the songs 'perfect'. Difference is that Trent wrote everything by himself and didn't ask people to work on it, without 'having a vision' (according to Tommy) and without going to the studio for months; Trent made an electronica-based album where it can work and not a rock album with 'live' instruments; Trent didn't need more than a year; and last but not least Trent made a successful album that is a milestone in rock music, unlike Axl.

#2176 Re: Guns N' Roses » Prostitute » 927 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

I don't think Slash and Duff would bring the kind of music to a present day GNR record you guys think they would.  Headspace, Big Machine and Superhuman could have made a 1996 GNR record with Fall To Pieces, but those days are long gone.

And my main point was: most of the best songs on CD were made by current members.

We got the 1997-1999 GN'R album with a few songs added, so it wouldn't change much. I don't think that SOD or TIL would be more 'contemporary' than FTP or Messages, as Scraped or IRS doesn't sound more modern than Headspace or Superhuman. Anyway, I enjoy Axl's lyrics and melodies and Slash's energy and natural born talent. Unfortunately I have to enjoy it on different records, but life ain't perfect.

#2177 Re: Guns N' Roses » Prostitute » 927 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

Slash and Duff would have made CD horrible.

It's kinda a hypothetical question. Slash & Duff would have never played on these songs, but a few. They obviously wouldn't write this kind of music (mostly). Period.
They would have made some songs that suits them a bit, or let's say suits GN'R more GN'Rish. SOD, This I Love, Madagascar, IRS, CITR, TWAT comes to my mind. I think as time went by, they changed their music aims, too, so Scraped or even Sorry wouldn't be out of the question, as some Contraband tracks (Headspace, Big Machine, Superhuman) could have easily made CD with more electronica.

Anyway, they won't team up in the near future, if ever. I can't wait to hear Slash's solo album though.

#2178 Re: Guns N' Roses » Former GN'R Manager Alan Niven Counters Axl's Claims » 927 weeks ago

Axlin08 wrote:

Izzy's stayed neutral in this whole thing.

Q: What was the last straw that made you leave GNR?

Izzy: After the first leg of  the UYI tour, Axl wanted to make me sign a
contract which meant that I was less involved and less paid. I couldn't
believe it. This contract was coming from someone I grew up with for fuck's
sake. We always considered GNR as a best friend band, and now Axl was
telling me:" now we are doing business." Why should I carry on? Where was
the fun? That was the last drop.

Q: Do you still see Steven, Slash and Duff?

Izzy: Yes, I spoke to them on the phone three days ago, I even have lunch
with Steven last week. He is clean now but physically and mentally...
Slash is well, so is Duff: he just did the Hawaiian marathon! A fucking
marathon. Not bad for a guy whose pancreas exploded because he was drinking
3 1/2 liters of vodka every day? He is my band by the way, that is very
cool. The only who doesn't speak to anybody is Axl. He doesn't call the
people back on the phone. I like to ride my bike and I know where he
lives. Once in 1995, I went there and ring the door bell, he opened the
door, we took each other in our arms, he made me visit his house and we
had a chat. Cool. We called back each other after that, but one day the
old Axl was back; He was taking notes on the phone of what I was telling
him, and then, no news. Since then I go to his place, that makes me laugh:
I ring the door bell and there is always a bouncer telling me he is not
there! I am happy anyway that he did two gigs in Vegas and Rio in the
beginning of the year. I am especially happy that his microphone did work
properly. Who knows, He might have left the stage (he laughs).

HARD ROCK MAGAZINE JUNE 2001 (FRANCE)

Read the whole interesting interview here:
http://www.snakepit.org/izzyart1.txt

Izzy also called Axl an asshole, a dictator and if my memory serves well, he once compared him to Hitler. These all were on Jarmo's website, but some years ago the articles magically disappeared. As I remember he blamed the 'lack of server space' for the deletes.

#2179 Re: Guns N' Roses » Prostitute » 927 weeks ago

Olorin wrote:

Sorry if I'm a bit slow and this is old hat, but I think I've just realised the song is Axl writing to the GN'R fans and its not about some chick.  Mabye I noticed before, cant really remember.


Anyway I think its about the Chinese Democracy saga, his troubled relationship with the fans, how he is feeling and what the future holds.

Absolutely. I understand why this song closes the album (and why Chinese Democracy is the first song). I still hate the tune though, I think it's the weakest song on the album and in the whole GN'R catalogue. The whole song sounds forced, with no idea at all and the horrible drum loop and the even worse Beltrami synth orchestra blows the song into the ridiculous cathegory. Sorry. It sounds like a 12-year old's first try with Fasttracker 2.

Anyway, I don't want to hijack the thread. I don't think we should over-analyze Axl's lyrics since those reflect to his mood at a time. Prostitute's been around for a decade, so it's his 1998-1999 confession letter to the fans. Mail delivery's quite slow these days, isn't it?

#2180 Re: The Sunset Strip » The Top 11 Most Depressing Songs of All Time » 927 weeks ago

I'll check the songs of the list I haven't heard, although I'd have a very different list. Yesterday would be that depressing? Even the Beatles had darker songs.

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