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#2921 Re: Guns N' Roses » Facebook Announcement » 468 weeks ago

Eh, I'll get tickets to see them in Cleveland.

#2922 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 468 weeks ago

slcpunk wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:

But that won't stop certain people from stretching the imagination to try to fabricate a connection Mueller never puts forth. For some, they're as confident in wrong doing as the pope is God is real.

You keep repeating this over and over about users on this site.  It's a lie. Nobody here is hyperfocused on "coordinating with Russia." There are many moving parts, there is constant breaking news and that is reposted her often and discussed. But nobody has brought all the info together and presented some vast conspiracy. Nobody. So you can cut that out.

Trump has asked a total of four people to make the Russian investigation go away. To me, it's safe to conclude he's obstructed justice.

Comey was fired by Trump. Also obstruction IMO.

Flynn is refusing to cooperate with investigators and will take the 5th. He also sought out a deal which was turned down.

WH peeps are starting to lawyer up.

Brennan testified: I encountered info & intel that revealed "contacts and interactions" between Russian officials and the Trump campaign.

All ICs concluded that Russia interfered with our election via fake news, data mining swing states so they could target those audiences and email leaks.

Trump has Russian business ties. He also refuses to release his tax returns. Trump does give the impression that he is hiding something.

These are some of the things we know right now. Nobody is drawing conclusions, but we are talking about them.


Quit saying I'm fucking lying. If I have to pull your comments to prove you're lying I will. Remember how I called you out weeks ago cause you flat out lied, then refused to answer how it said in anyway what you claimed it did about Trump. You'll do the same thing now.

You've been on and on about "this is it", claiming the smoking gun is found.  If Trump didn't collude with Russia, then shut the fuck up. If he didn't commit treason, he's the president. He won't be impeached. He's here to stay. Talk about moving the fucking goal posts. Does anyone here besides Mitch or ID buy this latest bullshit - that these guys never said Trump or his campaign didn't work with Russia. This level of lying and cognitive disconnect is unprecedented. Just be honest and admit what you said.   I am literally shocked you're claiming no one here is focused on coordination. That is outrageous.

Also hysterical how you left out Brennan said "I found no evidence to support collusion". I guess that's why you guys keep moving the goal post.


slcpunk wrote:
PaSnow wrote:

love it.  SLC posted an overview with 12 well known & high up Trump campaign officials who it was discovered have ties to Russia.

W's former speech writer...

https://s16.postimg.org/jjxfp5l1h/frum.png

slcpunk wrote:

Here’s what we know so far about Team Trump’s ties to Russian interests

Here's an interactive graphic by the Washington Post, incredibly thorough

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics … c4d6845336

slcpunk wrote:
Smoking Guns wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:

Don't expect an answer.  They've been running away as of late because they can't reconcile the conspiracy theories that they "know" with actual evidence.


wow, rice has so many holes in her story. Not doing well with Andrea Mitchell.

I wonder if we watched the same interview.

What exactly is it that your think she did wrong?

Trump is in a world of shit right now, as is his cohorts, and this is supposed to be something? Are you guys kidding?

slcpunk wrote:

The investigation into Russian collusion/meddling has only intensified. Clinton Watts told the Senate Intelligence Committee that Russia interfered in the general as well as the GOP primary election. Flynn is now trying to offer testimony so he doesn't go to prison, and Flagg still calls it all a conspiracy.

Seriously...

slcpunk wrote:

Looks like Flynn may have flipped and is cutting a deal.

slcpunk wrote:

New documents show Trump aide laundered payments from party with Moscow ties, lawmaker alleges

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/ne … a#comments

slcpunk wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:

So for months, the left has said Trump or his campaign colluded with Russia. Comey says that's not true. No credible source has provided a single shred of evidence to the contrary. Will you guys finally admit Clinton was just a shit candidate who lost because she catered to everyone in identity politics besides the group that actually built this country and keeps it moving?

Comey confirmed that there is was no wire tap and that Trump's claim was a bald faced lie. A lie that Trump still will not apologize for.

Comey also confirmed that Trump and associates are part of an investigation of Russia's election fuckery. In fact he said he would not give details at this time other than that.


And that's just some of your comments limited to the past 10 weeks. 

So who's the fucking liar?

#2923 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 468 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:

Just curious Flagg, do you think Manafort, Flynn, and Carter Page will likely be found guilty of some form of Russian connections/shady contacts from the past year?

I'm totally just wondering if you're playing semantics and word games when saying "Trump won't be found guilty" or if you believe the entire campaign will be found innocent?  Not saying whether they goto jail or not, but at least be found of some form of 'innapropriate contacts' from a Presidential campaign.


Manafort was gone before the leaks, so I don't see how he's connected to collusion. I'm
Not going to say never because I don't know what I don't know.

I have no doubt someone will be found guilty of a crime. That's what happens when you turn over every rock. But if Flynn is caught taking money illegally for speeches, it has nothing to do with the election. 

So no, my money is no one will be found guilty of coordinating with Russia. But that won't stop certain people from stretching the imagination to try to fabricate a connection Mueller never puts forth. For some, they're as confident in wrong doing as the pope is God is real.

#2924 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 468 weeks ago

misterID wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:
misterID wrote:

Your argument story was retracted. By FOX no less.


I called it bullshit from the start.  Are you looking to pick a fight or just upset that attention has deviated from your "gut feelings" to actual issues plaguing the west.  I called it a stupid fucking story, no different than your hardon for Trump.  I wonder if MSNBC will run a retraction when Mueller comes back and says Trump didn't collude with Russia.  Probably not, the goal post will be moved further by then.

See, you're missing the point. My beliefs are based on facts, real articles, not conspiracy theories that even a right wing shill of a news source has to retract. Your comparison was ridiculous and a clear attempt to undermine what's happening. MSNBC has never stated there was definite collusion. There's an actual investigation going on by Mueller to investigate collusion. This isn't made up, this isn't a conspiracy theory, it's real and is taking place because of real intelligence.


No, there's not.  There's an investigation into Russia's involvement in influencing our election.  Part of that is also verifying that no one in Trump's team colluded with Russia, but the primary purpose of the investigation isn't, and never was about Trump.  This is something you have failed to grasp from day one.

Nothing you have argued is based on fact.  It's been entirely hearsay and opinions from discredited or anonymous sources.  You've ignored that Obama called the "piss tapes" absurd, that our own intelligence agencies dismissed them, but because some piece of that entire dossier may have been remotely true, you give credence to everything else.  There is no objectivity with you.   You can't even be honest about the nature of the investigation, calling for impeachment and making absurd accusations that have never been substantiated or supported.  You're blind to your own blindness and partisan hatred. 

I told you weeks ago that I'm not interested in debating the collusion shit, because nothing new has manifested and nothing either of us will type will change the opinion of the others.  I'm not interested in trading insults back and forth, which is all it will become. 

But don't kid yourself and act like you have any evidence or facts to support your claims.  You know that Flynn and a couple other guys probably took money from Russia or Turkey in matters completely unrelated and years before the election.  That's what you "know".  Anything beyond that is mere speculation and you can't point to a single document to support your conspiracy theories.  That's why you've backed down from saying Trump jerked Putin off to "well, someone in Trump's camp betrayed their country."  And let's not forget you were arguing Pence is going to invoke the 25th Amendment a couple days ago. 

I get it.  You hate that your party is in shambles and can't connect in the majority of governorships, congressional districts and senate seats.  That the best they could put forth is a nutjob who honeymooned in the most oppressive regime of the 20th century and praised Venezuela and Chavez or an egomaniac who was more connected to Wall Street and was more hawkish than any Republican since Reagan.  It's a terrible time to be a Democrat.  To go from complete control over congress with the most likable and charming president since Kennedy at the helm to being a party with absolutely no authority is quite the change.  But maybe take a deep breath and let the rage subside before you post nonsense that no one is claiming there is a shred of evidence of.  "Smoke and fire" isn't an argument.  It's an intellectually lazy way to justify partisan bickering and outrage.  You can go with Biden or Warren, but only one of them is going to help rebuild your party.  There won't be a Leftist Tea Party, you guys tried that already.  It was the Occupy Wall Street crowd.  They didn't do anything besides camp out in Manhattan and attract homeless and the mentally ill. 

Trump is your President.  If all you and your cohorts can offer is manufactured outrage (TRUMP TOLD DUERTE THE LOCATION OF 2 SUBMARINES ARE OUTSIDE OF NK!!! [meanwhile the NYTimes already ran an article where they announced the fleet is moving into position]) and conspiracy, you'll quickly lose the public's confidence.  Being Anti-Trump isn't a policy position.  It's not offering solutions.  Your party and its politics provided us with ISIS, refugees and a failing ACA.  Yelling about Trump isn't going to win you seats when the Republicans are able to ask a simple question of "what's your plan?"

#2925 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 468 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

Your argument story was retracted. By FOX no less.


I called it bullshit from the start.  Are you looking to pick a fight or just upset that attention has deviated from your "gut feelings" to actual issues plaguing the west.  I called it a stupid fucking story, no different than your hardon for Trump.  I wonder if MSNBC will run a retraction when Mueller comes back and says Trump didn't collude with Russia.  Probably not, the goal post will be moved further by then.

#2926 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 468 weeks ago

What's your point?  Hannity is as hysterical and disingenuous as Maddow?

#2927 Re: The Garden » Terrorist Attack at Ariana Grande concert » 468 weeks ago

slcpunk wrote:

Get over yourself. The last time a white person blew something up that wasn't Irish, was McVeigh in 95. Everyone here knows who Dylan Roof is. But I bet you don't know the name of the Arab who shot up a gay night club.

They just picked up a neo nazi loser in Florida with explosives and poster of McVeigh at his place. Other plots have also been thrwarted before they occurred. They are out there too. We just happen to catch them before they act here. They also tend to be more prone to using bullets, not bombs.

And law enforcement in America see fringe right wing groups as just as big, if not sometimes more of a threat, than "radical" Islam.

But I disagree with Mole on one point in particular. Religion. The kids they brainwash to do these thing may not necessarily be religious zealots, but they run into the arms of religious zealots, who then brainwash them to carry out these atrocities. And as I said, while many of these are second generation citizens (we agree there), many already identify as Muslim before making the move up to nutjob/mass murderer.


We'll see about the idiots in Florida.  So far most of that story is coming from the guy who just murdered two roommates.  My friends and I have made napalm and fuses as teenagers because we got copies of the Anarchist Cookbook and thought it would be fun to make tennis ball bombs (match heads and gun powder in a tennis ball), but we never even thought about using them on people or animals and just liked fucking around in the woods behind our homes.  I'm not saying that's the case here, but having bomb precursors isn't the same as actually having explosives ready or even a plan or intent to use them. 

And to your point, there is a fundamental difference between the mentally ill shooting up a movie theater people following a warped from of Islam to enforce their agenda.

#2928 Re: Guns N' Roses » Facebook Announcement » 468 weeks ago

So they released a video that said "Thursday Get In The Ring".  What the fuck?

#2929 Re: The Garden » Terrorist Attack at Ariana Grande concert » 468 weeks ago

TheMole wrote:

Yeah, let's go for more strict immigration laws, highlight the differences between us and those backwards muslims a bit more... you know, forsake any effort to bridge the ever-increasing divide 'cause reasons... ?

What a load of bullshit. Some of you really need to read up on who those radicalized muslims in Europe actually are. They're not first generation immigrants, they are not refugees, they are not uber-religious fanatics. Hell, most of them wouldn't be able to recite a Koran verse if their life depended on it. This whole crisis (the domestic muslim terrorism one, not the refugee crisis) at it's heart has nothing to do with religion, it's a bunch of disenfranchised youth looking for an identity and the fringe muslim fanatics happen to have an attractive, testosteron infused, identity to sell to them. Provide them with a more attractive alternative, and they will choose that instead, plain and simple.

It all comes from the exact same spot where all the misplaced patriotism is coming from in the US, the whole "rah rah, we're number one" bullshit that some of you seem to thrive on. These kids have made the mistake of thinking that an ideology defines who you are, that you ARE muslim or catholic, that you ARE a westerner or middle-easterner. The world would be a much better place if it weren't full of people who spouted nonsense like "I'm a christian, a conservative and a republican, in that order!". For all the talk about identity politics, THAT is a striking example right there, that's the core of the problem. People don't think for themselves, they choose an ideology and let the powers that be do the thinking for them. Everything has become a caricature of itself... we're all walking stereotypes, talking in catchphrases... ugh... so fucking depressing!


Yea. American Patriots who love, support and cheer our constitution are blowing themselves up at a kids concert or shooting up a night club all the time.

Get over yourself. The last time a white person blew something up that wasn't Irish, was McVeigh in 95. Everyone here knows who Dylan Roof is. But I bet you don't know the name of the Arab who shot up a gay night club.

Millions of Muslims support ISIS and radical Islam. They're actively trying to infiltrate the west. That's not true with any other terrorist group. That's the facts, regardless of your naieve, kumbaya world view.

#2930 Re: The Garden » Terrorist Attack at Ariana Grande concert » 468 weeks ago

TheSundanceKid wrote:

I mean the thing that I love about America (Great Grandparents were Irish American) even though I am Canadian is, that for the most part the US assimilates really well. Unlike Europe and some parts of Canada.

Huge Muslim population in Dearborn, yet no huge issue(s).

But, I mean if Irish people were blowing themselves up still in the name of Catholicism, of course you'd see the extra scrutiny. And what not. But, I think the Troubles are a false comparison to this shit we are experiencing today with radical Islam.

I am a huge Bill Maher fan, when he criticizes some dumb fucking liberals about this. As a cafeteria / lapsed Catholic I am not offended by his religious hatred. But for the most part he raises good issues about religion and Islam.

Like when people scream racism. Guess what? Muslim isn't a race. Multiple races of people can be Muslim.

I am of the left leaning nature with some conservative tendencies / I get conservatives in some ways, the old kind. Like I am not a bleeding heart dove, who takes offence to a lot of shit.

Love Richard Nixon, great President minus Watergate. I mean the EPA and Planned Parenthood are solid domestic things he did.

I think the greatest leader that America was unfortunate to never have as President was Douglas MacArthur, man that guy was way ahead of his time and right about so many things. I highly recommend: Douglas MacArthur American Warrior by Arthur Herman. Such a great read.

I'm more of a Marshall guy. Ive read all the books on him and consider him the greatest American Patriot and Western Leader in the 20th century.

I liked how he handled things. If it wasn't for him, Europe wouldn't be sticking their noses up at the rest of the world thinking they have any real influence outside of economic power in the modern world.

MacArthur was more concerned with his legacy and tooting his own horn than seeing the big picture. He defied Truman, and like Patton, wanted a war with Russia.

I abhor war, but I abhor people that would sacrifice their safety, culture and country to fulfill some naieve ideal even more.

Letting millions of impoverished and backwards people migrate to the west doesn't make the world better. It doesn't solve the problem and only makes it worse for those who already live in the west.  You never hear about countries outside of the west suffering demographic changes. Japan is a 1st world nation and they're still 99% ethnic Japanese. China nipped its Muslim migration before it even began.

This is where Trump has it 100% right. His ME tour has been a smashing success. We shouldn't be concerned with bullshit issues that have no impact on our quality of life. Our goal should be to extend western culture and media to these countries while expanding business. You put a McDonalds on every corner, and starving people no longer have to join the caliphate to survive. Trump got a lot of flack for his "we killed people too" comments to O'Reilly. But we didn't become civilized overnight either. The holocaust was a thing just over 70 years ago. And Britain and France had no problem kicking their Jews to the curb before ww2. America was segregated until 65. Australia had a whites only immigration policy until the late 70s.

These are problems the Middle East and Asia need to work out on their own. They didn't become fundamentalist until after the west, specifically America, tried to use them in a game of chess. The same is true in Latin America. Allowing millions to hop back and forth across our border isn't being helpful or open minded. It's allowing their problems to go unresolved and encouraging people to abandon their homes rather than work to resolve them. No one helped the US end Japanese internment, segregation, suffrage, slavery, child labor, marriage equality, etc.

In extreme cases we should consider military action, such as cases of genocide. But do I care that the Phillipines are executing drug dealers who have preyed on the weakest and most vulnerable of their society?  Fuck no.

50 years ago we tossed people in prison for smoking a joint. Now pot is essentially decriminalized in 30 states with more coming every year.

It's a process, and all too often we forget how much hard work it took to overcome them here. Outside of the most educated and qualified, the west should close their borders to 3rd world immigration. It doesn't enhance or enrich our countries. It just causes more despair in the countries they come from.

We now know this family was going to Syria and the bomber attended Isis training there. Why is the U.K. allowing its citizens to travel to Syria like it's Bermuda? 

At some point we're going to have to put the needs of our citizens ahead of the comfort over the few immigrants who view our nations as nothing but a cow to be milked and exploited.

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