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#291 Re: Guns N' Roses » Skwerl's post on MyGNR regarding his leak and his source » 660 weeks ago
Mikkamakka wrote:buzzsaw wrote:I don't know Mikka. I saw both Slash and Axl play last year and there was quite a bit of the long gone past on both sides. Sure, Slash is playing some newer stuff (as is Axl for the record), but the reaction from the fans on both sides comes from the classic GnR stuff. Slash will never get away from that any more than Axl will no matter what they do. That's the life of being that well known for something.
Obviously. They will never be able to top that, or come even close to the glory of those old days.
But Slash actually makes albums. Axl released (was supposedly forced to release...) 1 record in 20 years, containing mostly stuff leaked years before. Slash is doing kick-ass live shows with changing setlists and he's one of the best touring rock acts of today, without a doubt. While fans always need to make excuses for Axl's performances and his stable boring sets. Slash is playing better than ever, Axl is singing worse than ever. So when it comes to Slash, it's very easy to like his present. All Axl can offer you is past and fake nostalgia.
I hear what you're saying. If you like Slash's present then you're right. I'm not a huge fan.
The more I think about it, the less bothered I am with Axl's setlist (other then the solos and covers). What can he do? He has to play the hits. If Slash played a 3 hour (or longer) set, I think you'd find a lot less variety than you're seeing now. He has songs he has to play too, so he's mostly switching out the newer songs - songs many people don't care if he plays or doesn't play.
buzz, this would make sense, but you obviously don't follow Slash's setlist, so your argument is based on assumptions and not the reality.
In fact, Slash only plays Nightrain, SCOM, Rocket Queen, Paradise City (and The Godfather and Slither if you count them) of the hits every night. While the other regular songs he has are Ghost, Starlight and Back from Cali from Slash I, and Anastacia, Halo, No More Heroes and You're a Lie off Slash II.
He rotates Jungle, Out Ta Get Me, Brownstone, My Michelle and You're Crazy from the GN'R catalogue (like 2 of them per night). The other rotated songs are either from his solo albums, or from the Snakepits.
He almost or completely dropped Patience, Civil War and the first single By The Sword from the set. Fall to Pieces isn't played too often either.
So it's hardly a GN'R nostalgia-fueled setlist (not more than 1/3 GN'R), although yes, the audience likes those songs (and Anastacia) the most. If Slash could have dropped so many old songs and managed to play for larger and larger crowds, then Axl could do that, too. But the biggest improvement of the last months was adding 2 more 40-year old covers. That's the difference.
#292 Re: Guns N' Roses » Skwerl's post on MyGNR regarding his leak and his source » 660 weeks ago
well.. i see where you`re coming from, but gnr shows (and axl) still kick ass these days. and i`ve never heard of other band`s fans being as obsessed about setlists as gnr fans. probably, because only diehard fanboys travel to ten shows and moan about the setlist after that... or even worse, sit in front of their computers and bitch about setlists from show they didn`t even attend.
i saw gnr 3 times and slash 1 time, plus i`m going to see him next month again and both of them have delivered every time!
I only got the chance to see Axl's new band live in 2006. That was a bad show. I saw other shows online and all were much better, so it's very likely that I caught the worst night of the whole tour.
My opinion is based on professional recordings. These are more accurate than the actual personal live experiences. Based on these, the shows aren't that good lately. Some of them were disastrous, to say at least, and Axl's performance is a shame.
On the setlist bitching... other bands' fans don't bitch this much, I agree. But those bands actually make music. So getting a new album in every 3rd year and a tour of stable setlist is far more tolerable, than getting the identical setlist for more than a decade with only one album in 20 years. Since GN'R don't show any progress in making and releasing music, they could show some progress setlist wise. But they don't.
#293 Re: Guns N' Roses » Skwerl's post on MyGNR regarding his leak and his source » 660 weeks ago
I don't know Mikka. I saw both Slash and Axl play last year and there was quite a bit of the long gone past on both sides. Sure, Slash is playing some newer stuff (as is Axl for the record), but the reaction from the fans on both sides comes from the classic GnR stuff. Slash will never get away from that any more than Axl will no matter what they do. That's the life of being that well known for something.
Obviously. They will never be able to top that, or come even close to the glory of those old days.
But Slash actually makes albums. Axl released (was supposedly forced to release...) 1 record in 20 years, containing mostly stuff leaked years before. Slash is doing kick-ass live shows with changing setlists and he's one of the best touring rock acts of today, without a doubt. While fans always need to make excuses for Axl's performances and his stable boring sets. Slash is playing better than ever, Axl is singing worse than ever. So when it comes to Slash, it's very easy to like his present. All Axl can offer you is past and fake nostalgia.
#294 Re: Guns N' Roses » Skwerl's post on MyGNR regarding his leak and his source » 660 weeks ago
Mikkamakka wrote:Truth is that truth hurts.
The debate of the last pages was how Axl "hold all the cards" for a reunion (that could happen after a "new" album). Just check it. I simply pointed out that Slash may not be too interested to work with him anymore, especially under Axl's terms.
Please show me where I wrote in this post that I don't care.
On the other hand your post was offtopic, hijacking and for the purpose of making shit up in the defense of Almighty Axl, at the expense of Myles. Just be a grown-up and face it. ID, in the past months even you realized that this whole shit stinks. No need to go back to your zealot fanboy self.
I was discussing the "who holds the reunion cards." You took it upon yourself to go after the guys looks. And I never said anything of the sort about Myles other than his voice is terrible. I responded to you. Your post. Your lame, usual, boring, hijacking post. The typical "Mikka doesn't care anymore, but can't stop hanging around talking about it, over and over" is what your post amounted to.
Zealot fanboy self? Now who's insulting who? Please, show me the evidence where I'm a "zealot fanboy." And how can I be a fanboy and not be a fanboy who knows shit stinks at the same time? And where have I said anything different now that I haven't said in the past. Please find it, I'll wait... Oh, yeah, you can't, because you're making it up.
Since you are not able to understand it (or more likely: you don't wanna admit that you understand it) I don't waste my time for you. I also don't wanna make this thread turn into a personal fight even more.
For madagas:
I'm a Slash fanboy to a degree. But not to a degree to say that his playing was magnificent (or even good) in the Velvet Revolver days. Not to a degree to like (or even accept the happening of) all of his guest appearances and the whoring of November Rain with those rapper puppets. But you know, with Slash, there is at least something to be a fan of. Albums, incredible live performances. With Axl it's all about the long gone past.
#295 Re: Guns N' Roses » Skwerl's post on MyGNR regarding his leak and his source » 660 weeks ago
Mikkamakka wrote:misterID wrote:You've been saying this exact same thing for Y-E-A-RS.
And Slash is playing with a skinny, sane front man who never could sing
No, not really. I've never called Axl a has-been, but time has come to realize this (a long time ago). It's also the first time when Slash's growing crowd is about the same size as GN'R's vaining audience.
Glad that you agreed with my points, so rather chose to attack Myles to hijack the thread.
Mikka, if you haven't called Axl a has been before, then that's the only thing you haven't called him in the past.
And I didn't hi-jack the thread... The thread is about new leaks and you took the opportunity to call Axl a hysterical, bloated, out-of-shape, out-of-mind, has been. If that wasn't an attempt to insitigate an argument, or hi-jack a thread, along with your usual "I don't even care anymore" post that you make in every Axl thread, then I have no idea what is. And me saying Myles can't sing doesn't even come close to an attack.
As to your point, I don't really care who draws a bigger crowd or who sells more albums. That's your bag, not mine. I like what I like. And I'll take a bad Axl over a good Myles any day of the week. And we've had some bad Axl lately.
Truth is that truth hurts.
The debate of the last pages was how Axl "hold all the cards" for a reunion (that could happen after a "new" album). Just check it. I simply pointed out that Slash may not be too interested to work with him anymore, especially under Axl's terms.
Please show me where I wrote in this post that I don't care.
On the other hand your post was offtopic, hijacking and for the purpose of making shit up in the defense of Almighty Axl, at the expense of Myles. Just be a grown-up and face it. ID, in the past months even you realized that this whole shit stinks. No need to go back to your zealot fanboy self.
#296 Re: Guns N' Roses » Skwerl's post on MyGNR regarding his leak and his source » 660 weeks ago
Mikkamakka wrote:Since Slash is going to play for about the same crowd here in Budapest than Axl and his band did 7 years, I see absolutely not much interest for Slash to go back playing as an employee of a psycho frontman who can't sing anymore, when he can captain a ship of the similiar size.
We fans like to see our idols as they once were. Then we're shocked seeing new footage and some are looking for excuses. Face it, this is the Axl Rose of today, and this is the Axl Rose of the last 15 years, minus the year 2006. Universal always met this bloated, out-of-shape Axl Rose, or an even worse, hysterical bloated out-of-shape, out-of-mind Axl Rose. He's a has-been. Sorry to say it, but he is. Never thought this day would come. Didn't realize this when happened, a long time ago.
You've been saying this exact same thing for Y-E-A-RS.
And Slash is playing with a skinny, sane front man who never could sing
No, not really. I've never called Axl a has-been, but time has come to realize this (a long time ago). It's also the first time when Slash's growing crowd is about the same size as GN'R's vaining audience.
Glad that you agreed with my points, so rather chose to attack Myles to hijack the thread.
#297 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Slash - Guitarist of the Year – 2012 Loudwire Music Awards » 660 weeks ago
Mikkamakka wrote:Gibbo wrote:Slash - Guitarist of the Year – 2012 Loudwire Music Awards
http://loudwire.com/guitarist-of-the-ye … ic-awards/Myles - VOCALIST OF THE YEAR – 2012 LOUDWIRE MUSIC AWARDS
http://loudwire.com/vocalist-of-the-yea … ic-awards/Well deserved, for both of them.
People who are bahing Myles all the time should wake up. Maybe Myles isn't the best singer of all time. For sure, he isn't. He's neither Robert Plant in his prime, nor the young Axl. But he's at the top of the game, and for sure one of the best rock singers of our age. Most better than Robert Plant or Axl of today.
I'll take Robert Plant today over Myles any day of the week. At least Plant's voice isn't annoying as fuck.
Plant became King Nasal. I like him, but he can hardly breath.
#298 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Slash - Guitarist of the Year – 2012 Loudwire Music Awards » 660 weeks ago
Slash - Guitarist of the Year – 2012 Loudwire Music Awards
http://loudwire.com/guitarist-of-the-ye … ic-awards/Myles - VOCALIST OF THE YEAR – 2012 LOUDWIRE MUSIC AWARDS
http://loudwire.com/vocalist-of-the-yea … ic-awards/
Well deserved, for both of them.
People who are bahing Myles all the time should wake up. Maybe Myles isn't the best singer of all time. For sure, he isn't. He's neither Robert Plant in his prime, nor the young Axl. But he's at the top of the game, and for sure one of the best rock singers of our age. Most better than Robert Plant or Axl of today.
#299 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses Vs Led Zeppelin » 660 weeks ago
I voted for GN'R, as they are my all time favourite band ('85-'95), although Led Zeppelin was much more important for music and would deserve to beat them.
#300 Re: Guns N' Roses » Skwerl's post on MyGNR regarding his leak and his source » 660 weeks ago
Since Slash is going to play for about the same crowd here in Budapest than Axl and his band did 7 years, I see absolutely not much interest for Slash to go back playing as an employee of a psycho frontman who can't sing anymore, when he can captain a ship of the similiar size.
We fans like to see our idols as they once were. Then we're shocked seeing new footage and some are looking for excuses. Face it, this is the Axl Rose of today, and this is the Axl Rose of the last 15 years, minus the year 2006. Universal always met this bloated, out-of-shape Axl Rose, or an even worse, hysterical bloated out-of-shape, out-of-mind Axl Rose. He's a has-been. Sorry to say it, but he is. Never thought this day would come. Didn't realize this when happened, a long time ago.
