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#3231 Re: Guns N' Roses » 9 Year Old Rehearsing on Vocals with GN'R » 703 weeks ago

RussTCB wrote:
-D- wrote:

I expect that from Jon Bon Jovi but not from most dangerous band in the world

I guess I just don't get the logic there.

If this was some promotional shit on MTV D would have a point. That would be tacky considering their image.

But as far as I can tell this is just the parents or whoever that uploaded a fun experience on youtube.

I'm surprised a kid like that knows anything about Guns let alone songs from Chinese Democracy. Good parenting.

Yeah, with idols like that she'll be working a pole and a drug addiction in no time. 16

#3232 Re: The Sunset Strip » Most Recent Movie You've Seen » 703 weeks ago

Looper - Meh. Plot is pretty ridiculous. Bruce Willis plays himself again.

Triangle - Better twist on the time travel genre.

DKR - Disappointing.

Nixon - Maybe Stone's last truly good movie. Though he only gets 2 scenes Hagman is electrifying.

Total Recall Remake - Joke.

#3233 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Chris Cornell: "Guns N 'Roses were all normal types minus one" » 703 weeks ago

Ironically we in fact have Slash getting advice from Keith on that very question. The advice was: Whatever you do, don't leave the band.

#3234 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Chris Cornell: "Guns N 'Roses were all normal types minus one" » 703 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:

So you're saying the guy is therefore not allowed to form an opinion of the guy??  Do you always speak highly of your bosses, who gave you the job?  Never had a wierd one, or strange one, or an ass.

Obviously not. If he wants to slam a fellow musician (while claiming he's not) for recognizing his talent at an early point in his career and giving him a break, sure feel free. Yeah, terrible boss, even throwing him a friendly hello in the hallway. I've had mid level bosses who wouldn't even do that.

It doesn't help that his opinion is total bs either. Axl was a late mofo with unusual antics sure, but him not coming out and putting on a massive show was a rarity. Despite the myths the times he actually caused abrupt cancellations can be counted on a hand or two.

Anyway yeah he pretty much went thru this a few years ago when he told the story of walking backstage thru the hallways and Axl walks by with security guards and wearing a robe and passes by Chris and says "Hey bro!"..  Chris humorously recalled it being a surreal event and thought to himself at the time "Did that really just happen?"

But that's a good, nice story. He could have used that angle here too, but for whatever reason decided to put a malicious spin on it. Like Axl was some kind of detrimental force to the band.

#3235 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Chris Cornell: "Guns N 'Roses were all normal types minus one" » 703 weeks ago

Without saying anything negative about Axl Rose

Riiight.

Whatever Chris. That abnormality is what made his band the biggest in the world, while yours, although good to great, never rose above being a second tier outfit.

Oh, and maybe someone should tell him it was Axl that helped jump start his career by putting them on that huge tour in the first place.

#3236 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Izzys No Show At RNR Hall Of Fame » 703 weeks ago

The big difference is it's not a celebration of him, it's of a collective of persons. With many versions in both past and present. Two of which have an ongoing, unprecedented beef. Is it so unfeasible that he didn't want the avoidable tension with one of his (volatile) friends that it would surely lead to? Maybe coupled with the amputated feeling of it all by not having the lead singer there? It's not like this is family or close colleagues he's turning down either, it's a promotional event very much like any other.

And there are not many supporters in this instance. What has this support been? If you're talking about all the people working on the sidelines they get paid to do so, and expect to be. If you're talking about fans they paid for a musical high, and they have it for as long as there's electricity in the stereo. They're not giving him a monthly allowance or anything like that. They're basically expecting a refill.

Would any of them or even any of us be there for him if he didn't have something to offer? The Hall itself is just trying to boost their bottom line by lending the bankability of others to put on a profitable show. They've had nothing to do with Izzy's career and he certainly doesn't owe them anything. Nor the collection of mostly strangers that choose to attend and watch it, for their own purely selfish reasons.

What is it that you want here anyway? Would having Izzy there really have been all that a redeeming factor for missing Axl in the first place? Apart from Steven there's not anything there you can't get on a semi regular basis already. Even if the magical happened and Axl showed up it'd still just be a few okeish performances of songs you've heard a thousands times and you'd be right back with new gnr and Axl hating Slash again. You want them to go up there and lie to us?

In most other cases I'd agree with you. Go up there and just have a good time for yourselves and the fans. But this GN'R thing is extremely particular. We weren't really surprised when this thing turned into a clusterfuck, were we? With all that bad air looming I really don't see why it's so hard to accept that emotionally this might not at all have felt right to Izzy.

And again, with Axl a no show the air is already fizzled out of the balloon so I just don't see what the drama is about. Feels a little like you're just redirecting you disappointment over the whole thing to an available target. If that's the case I just want to say, he's the only guy who could be called at semi member of the band at this point. He's been doing several gigs with Axl and seems to be on good terms with him. A return in some capacity certainly seems a lot more likely than in the past. And I doubt it's the 10k or whatever they slip him that motivates him.

I'm sure he enjoys to perform for the fans. Only without all the drama. Guy doesn't like drama and has decided he can afford not to. Could be as simple as that, and I don't see why we shouldn't respect that.

#3237 Re: Guns N' Roses » The Chinese Democracy Sequel References Thread » 703 weeks ago

monkeychow wrote:

As although the info tends to be minor, I think the amazing work of Sic on "Chinese Whispers" on this site demonstrates that reading together hundreds of small tidbits of information can paint a compelling picture.

I don't profess to have Sic's amazing skills...but I figure this thread gives such info a home for now.

There's not much mentioned about a possible follow up though, and most of it is from people with little to no clue. You know, like the lead guitarists and stuff. 16

#3238 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Izzys No Show At RNR Hall Of Fame » 703 weeks ago

monkeychow wrote:

Not really. Sure I'd like him to do it. But it's not only me who wanted that. It's thousands and thousands of fans.

Thousands of people want Rhianna to take her clothes off (or the few that she had to begin with), that doesn't make her obligated to do it. Nor is the request any less selfish just because it's supported by thousands of others. It's not a democracy.

So I'm asking him to do something that he might not enjoy very much, but that won't actually really harm him and only lasts a few hours at most, but that will make an absolute ton of people happy. And it's too hard for him to do that.

It might be hard for him to a degree we don't realize, or he may just be a careless prick. We don't know. But I wouldn't label it out of the realm of possibility that his reasons for going had something to do with what he considers GN'R in that particular setting, and he reclined out of principle once he found out everybody wasn't going (and/or possibly friendship to Axl). I don't see anything particular invalid about that position.

That's the whole point. This situation was about history of rock. It's about recognising how thousands of people's lives were changed by that music. It's bigger than the individual preferences. It shouldn't matter that Izzy doesn't like photographers, and it shouldn't matter that Axl and Slash have a feud, and it shouldn't matter that Steven resents Matt or any other of the petty bullshit.

But that's just your opinion. Your vision of what it should be about. Going to award shows is not necessarily in the job description of a musician. I as a fellow fan certainly do not consider it to be. I want music, made in the studio, on some sort of storeable medium. Everything else is just a bonus. Both approaches are valid of course, but you shouldn't blame him when something doesn't fit in a world you yourself essentially created (or, along with others, chose to believe in).

I saw Slash agree to go even when it was obvious he never wanted to from the first place and he looked pretty awkward being in front of the crowd with no guitar.

I saw Steven and Matt bury the hatchet.

I would have been nice if Axl could be there, but in his defence playing along would have completely undermined his business interests.

Slash, Duff, Matt and Steven have absolutely nothing to lose by attending this. You could include Izzy in that as well, but since he refused he at least appears to have personal reasons. Impossible to say if they knew this beforehand, but what did that performance really gain? The joy of seeing some of the old guys make tribute to the glory days or the realization how hollow it feels without Axl and Izzy and the anger that goes along with that? I don't know, but a lot of fans appear to have mostly negative feelings associated with the HOF.

Maybe Izzy saw that once he knew Axl wouldn't be there. It's possible.

But Izzy doesn't have such a good reason. His only reason seems to be he didn't feel like it and he shouldn't have to do anything he doesn't want to do ever. It sounds like a toddler. I wish we all lived our lives without having to meet any external expectations.

Again it's not me that wanted this, it's thousands of people in every country in the world, it's the media, it's the industry, it's an expected part of his business.

I'm sure he still has to attend to his bills and personal relations. Just because he didn't want to do this totally external event doesn't make him a toddler. It's not like he made a deal with you back when you bought AFD that he would participate in these fan friendly events later. He charged you 10 bucks for the record, and that's that. I mean, by your line of reasoning he should rejoin GN'R and make a badass 80s record because millions of fans surely would want that. Yeah it be nice, but so? Is that reason to cast negative judgement on a man just because he played on a few cassettes you bought 20 years ago?

I don't think that's consistent at all.  So when he appears with Axl he's just hanging with his friends - even though Axl bills the show as GNR - and films it for release as a GNR performance  in theatres worldwide. But if he'd played at a ceremony intended to honour GNR with his friends Slash/Duff/Steven then he's somehow a backing man supporting myles when it's not the real GNR?

Either GNR is only the original line up or it isn't.

I just find it odd that he's purest enough to shun the circus of the RRHOF, yet is unfazed by the circus of 7 guys - 6 of whom never lived with GNR in hell house etc  being billed as GNR and playing an album they didn't write. Unless of course it's not at all about what he thinks is GNR....just as the price of the tickets is unlikely to really be why dizzy didn't want to appear....and it's all actually just about what Izzy can and can't be bothered doing. Which at the end of the day would be his right. BUT  if someone consistently acts without regard to anyone else but themselves....well..they have the right too...but people don't tend to appreciate them.

I respect him for writing some great songs, but this situation was bigger than his personal wants for the night, and it's telling to me that he's the only member of the band who couldn't seem to see that.

Playing with GN'R pleases thousands of fans and most importantly, it doesn't hurt anybody. And perhaps you're right, perhaps he doesn't give a fuck about all this "what is GN'R" thing anymore and he's just hanging out for a good time and a paycheck. But then your argument that he didn't go because he couldn't be bothered doesn't fly either, as he obviously intended to go when he waited to see if Axl would be there first.

So if it isn't about flakiness or real gn'r, it might just be about the fact that once Axl is absent that is what people will focus on, and he'd be singled out even more if all 4 of them had attended. It just creates a lot of bullshit and certainly not the celebratory feeling it's supposed to be about. Maybe he just didn't want to be a part of that.

#3239 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Izzys No Show At RNR Hall Of Fame » 703 weeks ago

Intercourse wrote:

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by trying to seperate "argument" from "opinion". People argue because of a difference of opinion i.e. one cannot be seperated from the other.

It has been long debated among fans just exactly what our idols "owe us".
You seem to be a low maintenance fan who just wants the body of music. For some of us that does not appear to be enough. Whether that is right or wrong is one for debate and I definately concede that wanting more becomes wrong very quickly.

Fans like me, (and Monkey too i suspect) have followed the story of each man as much as we've followed their music. We have devoured every piece of the GNR story along the way; as we age along with the band, I guess many of us have developed something of an emotional investment in their life story and would just like to see them be friends again, put the hate to rest, and embrace their legacy.

I didn't care about Izzy not showing until I watched the event. I was shocked to be moved by Steven and Duff's speeches. I was even more shocked to find myself admiring the maturity and humanity of Matt Sorum. Then I found myself to be pissed and Izzy & Axl for not even attempting to be a part of that. Axl i could understand, Izzy I could not.

There is a difference and I'll use the judicial system as an illustration. You can hold the opinion somebody is a bad guy, but you need a proper argument to put him in jail for it.

I was under the impression Monkey wasn't just voicing his opinion but trying to construct an argument for some sort of guilt. Being that he's from a family of lawyers I decided to play the judge and call "inadmissible!".

I'm a contract guy so to speak. If something is supposed to happen and it doesn't, there's a legitimate cause for complaint. Sure I'd like for certain members of the band to do more. I've been investing a lot in them over the years too, but after a while it just reached the point where I realized it was just about me. That I had created these expectations for myself and therefore also the disappointments. So I became what I am now. Not as exciting, but also less depressing.

#3240 Re: The Sunset Strip » Jason Newsted: 'It's Taken Me 12 Years To Get Over Metallica » 703 weeks ago

Possibly, but if a project with Slash doesn't take off again he's back to doing nightclubs. The GN'R gig guarantees him income for maybe 30 years (from then). And he'd still be able to do stuff in down times.

He's never said he regretted it so it's only speculation, but he never came off as a guy that cared a whole lot what the music was, and it isn't like CD would be alien to him. That and the whole way things went down smelled of expecting Axl to eventually cave and bring him and Slash back. At least that was Slash' intention. He's the replacement drummer, what's the point of making "a stand"?

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