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#4051 Re: The Sunset Strip » The BATMAN Thread » 908 weeks ago

-Tell your men they work for me now. This city is mine.

-They won't worrk for a frreakk.

-"Frreeakk". How about we cut you up in little pieces and feed you to your poochies, hmm? Then we'll see..how loyal..a hungry dog really is.

I can't get over this character. Seen the movie 5 times in 3 days.

I consider it one of the best and most interesting performances of all time. This is Raging Bull material. The Godfather.

I'm like Jimmy Conway, I always root for the bad guys in the movies. This is one of the rare instances where the villain is treated with respect, and I'm absolutely in love. This film actually made realize why Heat, Godfather, Apocalypse Now, Star Wars and Die Hard are my favorite movies. It's all about the antagonist. The cold rationalist.

#4052 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl Rose/Dexter forum chat discussion thread » 908 weeks ago

That breakup post is the most detailed information he's provided in his entire career. More detailed than all the ex members.

Axl couldn't have handled it better. This is much less watered down and way more real than any in depth interview could be. Here we hear what the man has to say, not what some journalist thinks should make print.

#4053 Re: The Sunset Strip » Finally... new alice in chains.... » 908 weeks ago

AiC are dead, but I like this guys voice. Beautiful rendition of Nutshell.

I'll check out the album. Not much else happening in rock these days anyway.

#4054 Re: The Sunset Strip » The Star Wars Thread *NO SPOILERS ALLOWED!* » 909 weeks ago

We all grew up watching them. Darth Vader, Luke Skywalker, Star Destroyers. You'd be hard pressed to find a kid born after 1970 that doesn't know what you're talking about. Despite it's popularity and impact Star Wars is not considered very serious, and apart from the two first films they are not very highly regarded as films in the artistic sense. With the prequel trilogy Lucas has gotten even more rap for what is perceived as silliness and bad film making.

But how fair is this really? Granted, some of the issues made against him are based on valid concerns. I'll agree that directing and dialog aren't George Lucas' strongest abilities, but when I look beneath the subpar craftsmanship, when I take a look at the intent, I see a rich, complex story rooted in human nature with parallels to our own time. I see why these films from the beginning have been marketed towards children. I see the true intent behind Jar Jar. Let's take a look at what these films really are about.

The prequel trilogy was conceived in the mid to late 90s, but the underlying idea has been there since before the original films. We begin in the Republic, ruled by the Supreme Chancellor. The republic is very old, and an atmosphere of complacency, arrogance, injustice and turmoil is prevalent. It's basically a symbol for the classic old and dying empire. Rich and bloated. Parallels can be drawn to the late Roman republic, the Weimar republic in pre war Germany and the American republic today.

The guardians of the republic are the Jedi. They are a secret society, independent from government that upholds order as they see it fit, often in the most clandestine manner. They are also a religious society and they are not foreign to using their knowledge for the "common good". Mind tricks and aggressive negotiations is the norm if things don't go their way. Even more interesting they are a bloodline society, and children are taken from their parents by force when mandatory blood tests on the population reveal their abilities. They are brought to their new home, the temple, where they are trained to suppress emotion and fight the enemy. Many parallels can be drawn. From the Catholic church, the CIA, Skull and Bones and secret societies and organized religion in general.

The self proclaimed leader of this society is Yoda. The wise, sweet and good old man. But is he really, at this point? What I see is an arrogant master, set in his ways and out of touch with the new generation and the world in general. In reality the prequel trilogy is just a long string of failures for this man, and he is ultimately partly responsible for the downfall of his entire civilization. In fact all the jedi, although with good intentions, are portrayed as stuck up, conservative old fools. Clear parallels to the establishment, to all establishments.

The enemy in the films, now is where I think it gets interesting, are the Sith. Sith is an obvious reference to Set, the ancient Egyptian snake god of darkness. The architecture of the District of Columbia is interestingly modeled on Egyptian styles, more specifically their necropolis, the city of death. This can also be applied to Rome, London and other former great capitols. The Jedi believe the Sith to be extinct, and even after their reveal they are still in a great deal of denial about the seriousness of the situation. The Sith are of course also a religious secret society. Secret Societies are insidious in nature, and appropriately the leader of the Sith is named Darth Sidious. He is an occultist, a practicer of hidden, forbidden knowledge. He schemes behind the scenes to usurp power and he hides the best way possible, in plain view. 

To gain power he engages in a conspiracy with the Trade Federation and the Bankers Guild. Translated, the top echelon of the business sector in the the galaxy. The money powers. They instigate a false flag operation on a planet so that Sidious can be elected. When he is elected he instigates a fake war where he funds both sides. He uses the war to transform the constitution, overstepping his term as chancellor. Creating "terror laws". Eventually he uses the Jedi as scapegoats to usher in an empire with him as emperor. "A safe and secure society". The parallels her are too numerous to mention. Nazi germany, the holocaust, Julius Cæsar etc. etc.

But there is one force neither side has reckoned with. Anakin Skywalker, the virgin born prodigy, an embodiment of the force. He becomes Darth Vader, the dark father, and he is early on misinterpreted as the fallen one. His story comes to full fruition a little later.

In the original trilogy the Empire has ruled supreme for 20 years, and Sidious is still Emperor. A resistance is forming and once again it is shaping up as a battle between the Jedi and the Sith, good against evil. Yoda and Obi Wan are seen as repentant men. What was once arrogance and complacency have been replaced by a new, heightened sense of reality. Yoda is wiser, more understanding of Luke. A boy that breaks the Jedi rule of conduct when he can, much like his father.

Contrary to popular belief "good" does not conquer "evil" in the original trilogy. Ultimately Luke must rely on his anger and passion to defeat his father, and in return he is himself saved by another passion, the love of his fater, who now becomes not only a fallen jedi, but also a fallen Sith. If the Jedi are the thesis and the Sith are the antithesis, Anakin and Luke are surely the synthesis. Darth Vader kills the ancient Sith order and puts an end to their rigid ways. Luke does the same to the Jedi order and emerges as the birth of the new order. One where emotion is cherished, where love and anger are accepted and embraced instead of abused and suppressed.

In the end both trilogies are commentaries of life. The prequel leans more toward political and historical commentary, while the original is one of philosophy, religion and belief. They are also obvious products of their time. The OT is basically one long story of human rebellion against tyranny. A "you can do it!" type of experience. The PT is a more serious and direct commentary on the current world. A "not everything is as it seems" type of experience.

And that is where the kids aspect comes in. What does it mean that every kid in western civilization has grown up with dreams of rebellion and fight against tyranny? The Star Wars trilogy is many things, but apart from the complex message, they are mainly products made for kids. Toys, commercials, Jar Jar Binks, Ewooks. Lucas is trying very hard to push his subliminal messages onto the open minds of children. It's not all about the money. If it was we wouldn't get these carefully thought through stories. He is himself a self proclaimed occultist. Indiana Jones should be evidence enough as to what he actually believes in (yes, he actually believes the Germans found the grail). His first film, THX, is a portrait of a futuristic, totalitarian society where people are drugged down drones in servitude of "the economy". A clear nod to 1984 and think thanks such as Ayrn Rand Corporation, for GN'R fans Atlas Shrugged will be his immediate work.

There is a lot more than this to Star Wars of course, but I think this is a major underlying idea that has always been with Lucas. He wants the world to know something they generally don't, and that is why he is actively seeking an as open minded audience as there is, children. He is to kids what Stanley Kubrick is to grown ups. Not only a good storyteller, but also in possession of that little extra that we can all relate to. Some kind of truth that appeals to us all.

If anyone reads all of this I demand some karma for the 2 hours it took me! 16

#4055 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl Rose/Dexter forum chat discussion thread » 909 weeks ago

A Private Eye wrote:

Let the speculation begin 'We may have heard parts of The General somewhere'......

That would have to be "Checkmate".

#4056 Re: Guns N' Roses » AXL Posting on GNR Forums! » 909 weeks ago

This is the second day in a row where I've woken up at least 6 hours earlier than usual, and Axl is on...

#4058 Re: The Sunset Strip » The BATMAN Thread » 909 weeks ago

And except for the scene where Gordon is "killed" you have no idea that it's Ledger. Voice is different, look is different, mannerisms are different. There's simply nothing resembling the guy from Brokeback Mountain and Monsters Ball.

Extremely impressive performance.

#4059 The Garden » CFR boss Haass on the Colbert report. » 909 weeks ago

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Transcript from the opening:

Colbert: Now, you are the President of the Council On Foreign Relations. You guys toy with countries of the world, like, well like toys, don't you? You are like the Illuminati, you are the Masons, you control everything, don't you? That's the rap on you guys.

Haass: Well, what's so interesting now though is who's on the chessboard. The toys if you will are much more than states. It's also non state actors, good guys, bad guys. Big banks, foundations, universities. You got terrorist groups, eh and CNN.

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colber … hard-haass

The assertion that you toy with just countries is the only thing you have a problem with Dick? Foundations, big banks running things? That's nutty talk Richard!

As usually Colbert got balls. That AP dinner speech with Bush is classic.

#4060 Re: Guns N' Roses » AXL Posting on GNR Forums! » 909 weeks ago

I don't know what to say anymore, I truly don't. Can I wake up now?

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