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#4131 Re: The Garden » Crazed shoppers kills Wal Mart clerk. » 911 weeks ago

It all reminds me of the old school public executions. People are fucking nuts. Willing to do anything for a fix.

But it is also a sign of the fear and economic impact the financial crisis has made, and it's going to get worse. We could be in for some fucked up shit all over the board. Over here people are killing themselves in increasing numbers after going broke and defaulting on their home etc.

These bankers and "leaders" better start watching their backs.

#4132 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy UNDER 300,000 copies sold first week? » 911 weeks ago

Well, its essentially a new band as really none of the songs sound like GNR.

Yeah, but the public really don't know that. As long as you have Axls vocals and some heavy guitar people will accept it.

It's basically shitty promotion. The reviews have been decent and people are craving for old school rock. Where are the stories and happenings? Where are the interviews? Where's the video?

The only thing the name thing does is limit the word of mouth since it's cool to hate Axl, especially among the "real" rockers that worship Metallica and everything louder. It's cool to hate Britney and Westlife too. Don't mean you can't force people to buy it. It's just a matter of good marketing. Hate is better than ignorance. Hate is attention. It's automatic promotion.

He can go on for years about how great this album is going to be and how much he cares about Slash. He can go to strip clubs and disney lands when he should've made up on his promises to finish the album, but when the thing actually happens he decides to lock himself up like a dead man?

That's not good enough Axl.

#4133 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy UNDER 300,000 copies sold first week? » 911 weeks ago

It's shame really. Over here GN'R has always been a big seller. Almost 10% of the population owns at least one GN'R record. Yet the threads on the biggest music forum gets a measly couple of posts each days. The Metallica and AC/DC threads were huge compared to GN'Rs.

And it's such a great record.

#4134 The Garden » Crazed shoppers kills Wal Mart clerk. » 911 weeks ago

polluxlm
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NEW YORK (AP) — A worker died after being trampled by a throng of unruly shoppers when a suburban Wal-Mart opened for the holiday sales rush Friday, authorities said.

At least three other people were injured.

Wal-Mart Stores Inc., in Bentonville, Ark., would not confirm the reports of a stampede but said a "medical emergency" had caused the company to close the store, which is in Valley Stream on Long Island.

Nassau County police said the 34-year-old worker was taken to a hospital where he was pronounced dead at about 6 a.m., an hour after the store opened. The cause of death was not immediately known.

A police statement said shortly after 5 a.m., a throng of shoppers "physically broke down the doors, knocking (the worker) to the ground." Police also said a 28-year-old pregnant woman was taken to a hospital for observation and three other shoppers suffered minor injuries and were also taken to hospitals.

The dead worker's name was not released.

"Local authorities are looking into the situation," said Wal-Mart representative Dan Fogleman. But he said it would be "inappropriate for me to share any additional information" until authorities investigate further.

Shoppers around the country lined up early outside stores in the annual bargain hunting ritual known as Black Friday. Many stores open early and stay open late. The Valley Stream Wal-Mart usually opens at 9 a.m.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art … gD94O1UD01

In related headlines...

40.000 shows up at farm for free potatoes and carrots.

In a sign of bad economic times, more than 40,000 show up when a Weld family invites people to gather surplus produce.
By Allison Sherry
The Denver Post
Updated: 11/23/2008 12:20:46 AM MST

Want one more palpable sign of a desperate economy?

An estimated 40,000 people came to a Weld County farm Saturday to collect free potatoes, carrots and leeks.

Cars snaked around cornfields and parallel parked along Colorado 66 and 119 early in the morning to get free food from the Miller family, who farm 600 acres outside of Platteville, about 37 miles north of Denver.

As this prolonged Indian summer continued, the Millers had decided to give away produce because so much was left over at the end of their annual fall festival. Any day now, a few deep freezes would kill it off.

They expected between 5,000 and 10,000 people spread out over a couple of days. Instead, they found themselves on Saturday morning inundated with cars and people with sacks and wagons and barrels ready to harvest whatever was available.

The Millers canceled the second day of the giveaway originally planned for today because, as Chris Miller put it, "the pickins' are very slim now."

At one point, 30 acres of family farmland had become a parking lot. Their crowd estimate of 40,000 plus was based on the number of cars. Sheriff's officials said they "wouldn't be surprised" if that count was accurate.

Traffic was backed up almost to Interstate 25, and police ticketed people who had illegally abandoned their cars in the frenzy.

"Overwhelmed is putting it mildly," Miller said. "People obviously need food."

Evidently, Platteville isn't the only place where this is the case. Last week in Denver, thieves broke into freezers owned by the Park Hill Grandparents Organization and stole Thanksgiving trimmings — including more than a dozen frozen turkeys — set to be donated.

And in Lakewood on Saturday, people lined up in the dark at 6 a.m. to collect Thanksgiving boxes, donated by the Jeffco Action Center. By the end of the day, 5,141 people had gotten food — the biggest demand in 40 years.

At the Miller Farm, it never got truly unruly.

They had friends and family members help direct cars. Sheriff's deputies cruised up and down highways trying to move traffic along, after fielding complaints from neighbors.

The family makes most of its money in the summer and fall, visiting 42 farmers markets a week, and hosting a fall festival where relatives charge an entry fee and then teach people about where their food comes from.

Normally, any unpicked produce goes back to the land. But after hearing reports of food being stolen from some nearby churches, the Millers decided to let people take what they wanted for free.

Sandra Justice, a Greeley resident who works at a technology company, brought her mother and son to pick potatoes. The price was nice, she said, but Justice also enjoyed picking her own food in these downtrodden times.

"Everybody is so depressed about the economy," she said, noting she hauled off about 10 bags of vegetables. "This was a pure party. Everybody having a great time getting something for free."

http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_11052263

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#4136 Re: The Sunset Strip » U2 "Reinvent Rock" on New Album » 911 weeks ago

Bono wrote:
polluxlm wrote:

50 year old men do not reinvent anything, nor does anyone expect them to.

I predict this to be U2's second "Pop" and another end of hegemony. The album will probably be good by the fans standard, but trying to do something new at that point in your career hasn't gone too well traditionally.

Either way, talk about setting your album up for failure. How about just saying "I think it will be good"?

16 C'mon Polluxlm. This is nothing compare t the way Bono was going on and on about HTDAAB. If anything that was "setting your album up for failure". And gee that album sold what?  12 million copies? Not such a  bad failure. I'm sure U2 will be just fine.  Plus Since when has any band simply said "I think it'll be good".  I think if we wanna talk about setting yourself up for failure we have no further to look than this board and the band it supports.

Nah Bigbri I don't. Sorry man. I never had that show. I used to have alot form that tour but my fucking computer crashed and bunred. Lost it all. 17

I should've known not to underestimate nutty dubliners. 16

GN'R is probably worse, I agree. Still think it's silly going around using words such as "reinvent, best ever, old school bla bla bla". The only albums actually doing these things are those never talked about all that much.

In the end it will just be another U2 album. I don't see a whole lot a new ideas since Achtung Baby. Which is fine.

#4137 Re: The Sunset Strip » U2 "Reinvent Rock" on New Album » 911 weeks ago

50 year old men do not reinvent anything, nor does anyone expect them to.

I predict this to be U2's second "Pop" and another end of hegemony. The album will probably be good by the fans standard, but trying to do something new at that point in your career hasn't gone too well traditionally.

Either way, talk about setting your album up for failure. How about just saying "I think it will be good"?

#4138 Re: Guns N' Roses » IF CD doesnt outdo Contraband » 911 weeks ago

It's pretty natural that people apply double standards when they are debating something that at its very core is a subjective opinion.

CD is the better album, and I think most GN'R fans agree on that. Who will end up selling the most is rooted in some many different factors, and bottom line is an immaterial argument.

#4139 Re: Guns N' Roses » SEBASTIAN BACH Says 'Chinese Democracy' Is 'The Definition Of Great Ro » 911 weeks ago

huntermc wrote:

I'm glad to see that Axl has hired Bas as his new publicist! smile

As far as vinyl vs. CD, though, there's no doubt that a 12" album is much cooler to hold in your hands, and to appreciate the art. I still have all of my Iron Maiden albums, and 12" singles, with all their cool Derek Riggs art. I even bought a copy of ELP's Brain Salad Surgery simply for the H.R. Giger artwork and I don't think I've ever even listened to the thing. Appetite was one of the first CD's I bought, so I never had that one on vinyl.

I can understand how an analogue recording from the 70's or 80's sounds better on vinyl, because it more accurately captures the original sound wave as it was recorded. But I don't get how a modern pro-tools digital recording can somehow sound better when transferred to analogue and pressed on vinyl. Even if the vinyl 100% faithfully captured the wave form, it would be a faithful capture of the digital samples. Now if it the original master recordings were sampled at 96k or 48k, it could sound better than a 44.1k standard CD. But why not release it in SACD or DVDA format then?

Because even if the sound doesn't get any better Vinyl is still cool. It represent something that is lost. You're not just holding a casing with a shiny gadget inside. A vinyl is a document. A piece of art. Everything about it is soft and earthly. No plastic. It's not something you pop out and throw in. It takes an effort to play one. You have to be gentle.

All in all it heightens the experience of listening to an album. Not this cut and dry thousand song random play lists and listening to songs for 10 seconds. You gotta sit down and hear it from the beginning. You respect the format.

#4140 Re: Guns N' Roses » Horrible timeing for CD release. Press already moving on? » 911 weeks ago

I give it a week before the "Axl's dead" rumors start surfacing.

As always he does the unprecedented.

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