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#4481 Re: The Garden » Morons of the decade award goes to..... » 936 weeks ago
Why would you want to lay down on railroad tracks? Danger or no, that must be one of the least relaxing things to do.
A couple of years ago one guy fell asleep on the tracks at the festival (I think maybe GN'R was playing that night), so it's not the oddest thing around, but to his defense he was drunk out of his mind.
Then again, who am I. Pure luck has saved me from one of those headlines more than once.
#4482 Re: The Garden » Favorite President? » 936 weeks ago
Lincoln, Jackson and Kennedy are the obvious ones. Always appreciate a guy that takes the fight to the bankers.
I think my favorite however will be Nixon. Dropped the gold standard, got out of Vietnam and improved the standard of living. Though the biggest factor is probably his end. They wouldn't even give him the honorable assassination. He had to walk out with his tail between his legs. That tells me he must have been really getting on their nerves. Kudos.
#4483 Re: The Garden » Bush plans Iran strike by August » 936 weeks ago
I disgaree CC. Afghanistan is a decisive victory for the US. We did what the Soviets couldn't. Unfortunately, our focus has been diverted to Iraq. Again, it's not as if we couldn't totally annihilaite our enemies in either country. We could totally remove all elements in Iraq and Afghanistan if we were willing to use all of our abilities. This means untying the hands of our soldiers and letting them fight the war in the same manner we fought WWII.
Iran is not an impossible victory. In fact, I believe we could easily nullify most of Iran's military in less than 72 hours. However, the inevitable ground war and media circus that would follow would inevitably result in the same stalemate as we now observe in Iraq. Mark my words, the US will ultimatley win in Iraq, but it is going to be a slow and methodical process.
I'll define victory as: "Controlling a region, while making a profit".
Historically it was done by applying continuous force. First to defeat the government, and if necessary, to defeat the population. When the region has been pacified enough for trade and taxation to become profitable, all you need is some type of garrison or police force to maintain the status quo for the necessary amount of time.
But like you say, that doesn't work anymore. Compared to earlier societies the present western world has an extremely low tolerance for what is today deemed excessive use of force.
Meaning; no city sacking, torture, executions, mass punishment or genocide.
I'm no advocate of war, but I know if you're going to engage in one, proper use of force is the only way to go. That includes massacring entire cities, families and children in order to prove a point. The actual amount of force is secondary to the promise of it. This is why ancient generals like Alexander and Caesar experienced minimal rebellions and dissidence in conquered provinces, even though they were months and years away from applying direct force if it had been needed. They set the standard, immediately.
With Iraq you have the situation of an imperialistic superpower, as perceived by the native population, going in under the pretense to liberate a people from a dictator and the world from WMDs. Of course, considering the superpower themselves placed the dictator in power, funded him and gave him the WMDs, it creates some public relations difficulties. Neither does it help that the superpower has already attacked one of your neighbors and is actively threatening another.
So you can't use force, and the image card to sway them ideologically is pretty much out the window. As are religion and culture. The last card is money. How about some prosperity? Well, after the globalists have taken their 'share', what's left? And how big a slice of that is going to the Iraqi government operating expenses and interest to the World Bank?
On top of that you have to take into consideration that there is no centralized enemy, home support is dwindling and the simple fact that 'war' is more profitable than 'victory'.
So no, I don't think you can win in any satisfying way. Mostly because wars and victories are not what they used to be. In the old days they fought for money, territory and power. Today they fight so they can hold office and distract their citizens from all their heinous money and power making schemes.
Edit: I think you can win, but I don't believe you will.
If Bush wanted instant approval ratings, he could take control of the Iraqi oil fields and divert all oil to the US. The Iraqis would profit from their oil, but the US and maybe even Britain would be the sole consumers. Gasoline would immeditatley drop below 2$ again and you'd see Saudi, Iran, and Venezuela quickly follow suit as they'd lose their leverage with the US and fear India and China's reprisal for such blatant price gouging.
He could never do that. First off that would be totally unacceptable to big business, and secondly it would utterly shatter what is left of the illusion created by the administration. Bush' may be shitting on the constitution and passing fascist laws, but he still needs to act somewhat in accordance to this illusion.
The world is a better and safer place becuase of the US. If some people want to live in Fantasia and dream about a middle east that isn't hellbent on destroying the west, then go for it. I'm not defending all the polices of the Bush administration, but military and political action needs to take place there. I'm tired of American men dying while the rest of the world protests and receives the benefits. No nation that did not send Soldiers to Iraq should ever receive one drop of its oil.
I know I've gotten off topic here, but this is all the underlying theme. The US goes to bat and saves the day, while the rest of the world looks down at us and plays monday morning quarterback. Americans want to blame bush for the War, while Congress has fought him tooth and nail on every measure. Part of me wishes Obama would get elected so when WW3 starts while he sips tea with the leader of Iran I can say I told you so while I go play Rambo in the rockies. But the surviors would simply blame Bush and build a monument to Obama. The US will eventually win in Afghanistan and Iraq, but it won't be thanks to the likes of Obama or Clinton, but true patriots like McCain and General Petraeus.
Fantasia? That's extremely bold.
Action needs to be taken in a lot of places, but we need to start focusing on why some people are 'hellbent on destroying the west'. If we're so wonderful, how can that be? It doesn't make any sense.
Read up on the covert history of the west this last century and you'll see plenty of reasons. Grave and horrific reasons.
#4484 Re: The Garden » Gaza Rocket Rocks Bush's Israel Trip » 939 weeks ago
The middle eastern jew/arab is probably one of the biggest illusions in history.
The official story is that the 'allied' powers in WW2 'gave' the jews 'their land' back as a means to get rid of guilt because the jews had suffered so much. Total bullshit of course, considering the 'allied' powers knew about he holocaust for years, yet did nothing about it until public opinion demanded it, several years after the war.
For the last 60 years the arabs in Israel have been treated like the jews themselves in Hitler Germany, yet the world still goes "I don't get it, why are they fighting?". It's pretty simple; your land is taken with force, they give you a tenth of that back and treat you like an animal, you get pissed and fight back.
Israel should've been given the same treatment as Iraq, Cuba, North Korea and Iran. No wonder Canada put them on a terrorist list.
Edit: My country is one of the biggest Israel critics around, yet we supply the weapons they use to kill 'our' freedom fighters. That's the core of the situation right there; hypocrisy, religion and greed.
#4485 Re: The Garden » Monopoly Board Game Goes Cashless - Brainwashing? » 940 weeks ago
The major shareholders of Hasbro are:
Citigroup (banking)
Rowe Price Associates Inc. (investment management)
Barclays plc (banking)
State Street Corporation (investment management)
TCW Group (investment management)
Vanguard Group (investment management)
In other words, major advocates for the cashless society.
Effective from May, Alfred J. Verrechio will assume his appointment as Chairman of the Board of Directors, effectively ending 85 years of control of the Hassenfeld family, who founded the company.
#4486 Re: Guns N' Roses » The GNR/Chinese Democracy Frustration Thread » 941 weeks ago
Do we really? 
#4487 Re: Guns N' Roses » The GNR/Chinese Democracy Frustration Thread » 941 weeks ago
If we only knew what 'current GN'R' were.
#4488 Re: The Garden » The Nothing Thread » 941 weeks ago
3 more weeks and I'm in Amsterdam.
#4489 Re: The Garden » Gulf States May End Dollar Pegs, Kuwait Minister Says » 941 weeks ago
14 trillion budget.
120 trillion debt.
An additional trillion each year just to keep running.
It's a wonder it's stayed afloat this long.
Buy gold and silver folks, and make sure you can hold it in your hand.
#4490 Re: The Garden » Halo around the Sun for a few hours » 941 weeks ago
Never even heard about it.
Atmospheric phenomena such as halos were used as an empirical means of weather forecasting before meteorology was developed.
Doesn't seem to be too rare though.
Anyways, I can't find any doomsday links here, so the interest is waning. 
