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#451 Re: Management » Taking the site forward.... » 928 weeks ago
cheers, i got it.
#452 Re: Guns N' Roses » How will the delays effect C.D.'s sales? » 928 weeks ago
"F you I'm just gonna illegally download this as payback".
he should be lucky if people feel that way, becuase that means that those fans still feel something towards gnr....and eventually they may just buy a ticket for a show or two....
sadly, i think the reaction will be more like "hey did you get the new gnr album? can i copy it? i couldn't be bothered to download, but if you have it, i'll take it"
which is not good.
#453 Re: Guns N' Roses » How will the delays effect C.D.'s sales? » 928 weeks ago
Even he thought so.
he still does.
#454 Re: Guns N' Roses » How will the delays effect C.D.'s sales? » 928 weeks ago
I love BH but I will admit at the time I was like what the hell is that.
new. shocking. interesting. would you have expected anything less from Axl Rose?
Do I fine them boring no, I think the shows they put on now are full of energy and kept my interest up without BH. Like it or not, BH got alot of flack in the beginning until he was more accepted and his playing outshined the way he looked. Can't argue with him being a little shocking if you've never seen him before and that could have hurt sale yes.
that would have never hurt sales. never. maybe attendance at gigs, but even that is debateable, but sales would have never been affected. people will always buy that record because of one man only. Axl Rose.
Plus it was more venomous between the old members back then. People who were Slash fans remained that and wouldn't even think of giving Axl a chance, beit there are some still this way but it's not like it was back then, IMO.
venomous = more media coverage. more media coverage = more publicity (which is the same thing)
if the material stood up to it, sales would have blown the roof off the music industry.
I think most of them are in better places now and it really comes across more now then back then.
that is true, there is more cohesion in the band now.
Axl hasn't ranted on stage like he did in 02 in Albany, he may feel the same but it hasn't shown on tour, he isn't kicking people out wearing Slash shirts, that makes a big different IMO, winning over fans that are pro Slash or old GNR.
its his voice which wins over fans. not anything else. people have waited for axl rose to start concerts forever....still makes no difference when he comes on stage and belts it out like a teenager....all is forgiven immediatelly...rants or not....
do i think the new band is better? Live they definitely are, i cannot judge them any other way because we haven't heard anything else from them...they also seem more of a band now than back in 02 as well....
but i don't think that 02 would have been a bad time to release a record....if it would have tanked, it would have done so because it sucked, not because the band consisted of circus performers....
they're running exactly the same risk now....all nice and sedate looking, no rants, more polite than ever....but if the album sucks...he can say goodbye to his stardom...
#455 Re: Guns N' Roses » How will the delays effect C.D.'s sales? » 928 weeks ago
i know what you're saying, but no bad looks or out of breath VMA performances would have stopped an avalanche of a good single or a top 10 rock chart debut....the fact that he came out of hiding was exceptional enough, and if on top of that his circus act of virtuosos delivered a record to beat all records....everything else would have been forgotten very quickly.
the fact that they are more sedate now makes things slightly boring....even for die hard fans...how excited are we right now?
i still get a rush watching BH's nightrain solo from 02....there isn't mich from the 06/06 tour which gets the same reaction out of me, perhaps Finck's Brownstone interpretation....but other than that, they're behaving and playing and looking like musicians in their 40's would.....
sedate....some may find it even boring....
look at VR...
#456 Re: Guns N' Roses » How will the delays effect C.D.'s sales? » 928 weeks ago
elmir wrote:if the album was as good as everyone said it was, they would have succeeded, regardless of the way they looked.
I dunno about that, his look was scrutinized and was the bud of alot of jokes.
so what you're saying is that if we had the greatest rock record of the 21st century in 2002, it owuld have been shit for the band because Axl sucked live?
Axl always sucked live.
#457 Re: Guns N' Roses » How will the delays effect C.D.'s sales? » 928 weeks ago
if the album was as good as everyone said it was, they would have succeeded, regardless of the way they looked.
#458 Re: Guns N' Roses » How will the delays effect C.D.'s sales? » 928 weeks ago
Key moment to release it was fall 2002 weeks after the VMA's, and the last good chance it had was immediately after the 2006 leaks.
Nothing will ever bring interest in the album like it would've had in years past.
the same feeling can be achieved again with one simple thing.....another 4-5 year gap of absolute silence....
#459 Re: Guns N' Roses » Check out this new rumor » 928 weeks ago
in reference to my earlier post about missing an opportunity this holiday season...there isn't really that many big rock releases-he had a chance.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071201/mus … olidays_dc
they should cancel more dates in developing countries like Africa and South America next time round....i cannot believe that there isn't one person with half a brain cell at Universal who could realise this....
Countries in the developed world (US, Europe, Australia) are experiencing slow sales.....whereas, in Africa, South America, Korea, Russia, where internet piracy is still in its infancy stages due to high bandwidth costs, it is so much cheaper to actually buy a cd than it is to download it....
Baz shifted 6.000 odd units in the States....in the USA....the world's biggest economy....the world's biggest market....its where fucking everything comes from....from America....
A shitty ass plastic rock band from Johannesburg shifts 45.000 units of their shitty ass album in its first week of release, in a market which is about 0.0000001% large when compared to the one in the states....
fucking britney spears moves 200.000 records down here....still to this day....in a country where piracy is huuuge....and Africa is big on piracy....some or other gospel act got an award last year for selling 450.000 units in a space of six months...
next time these guys go on tour...they should get someone who actually knows something to recommend, manage and advise on issues like these...
#460 Re: Guns N' Roses » Check out this new rumor » 928 weeks ago
i guess it just depends on how cynical you are
very.
at this point.....very cynical...so much so, that if the whole fucking thing leaked tomorrow, i wouldn't even bother to put my machine on, let alone waste bandwidth on downloading it....instead, i'd wait for shit to settle down, and then copy it off someone who downloaded it already....
I'm a very forgiving and loyal fan, but enough is enough....
...getting housekeepers and never-has-been rock stars to do your PR to people like us, who have more passion, forgiveness and knowledge about gnr than anyone else out there is fucking insulting...rude, and arrogant...
