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#501 Re: The Sunset Strip » Michael Jackson Discussion » 880 weeks ago
gnfnraxl wrote:madagas wrote:Actually, I love his voice and his delivery. It is all about inflection and tone. Sure, some people can't handle that...some people like a soft Brazilian singer. Anyway, Dylan's whole package is far far far beyond Jackson's and pretty much anyone in pop cultures package over the last 40 years. Sorry, but history will be on Bob's side and the Beatles and so on.
See I attacked Dylan cause I knew you pretty much idolize the man and even there you couldn't respect my opinion. I respect that you like his voice. I don't understand it but I do respect that. Your frustration towards MJ I can't understand. Maybe it's because as a kid you wanted an MJ jacket and you didn't get one but anyways. To some he is a genius I happen to agree. You you do not. And you are allowed to, just at least respect that. Cause some may not respect your opinions on Dylan and well that seems to tick you off my friend.
With that said no hard feelings.
please....and I am a hard core cracker from the South, the last thing I would want is a MJ jacket...but good try. Sorry, not bending on this one....reeks of stereotypical pop fawning over a celebrities death.
To some maybe. But other will say he is a genius, others an icon. Personally I have no probs with both. I'm just saying those who think he ias a genius are allowed to think that way. As for the jacket joke. It was actually a joke madagas. *lol*
#502 Re: The Sunset Strip » Michael Jackson Discussion » 880 weeks ago
madagas wrote:James Lofton wrote:Madagas does have a point. Hell, he barely wrote anything for Off the Wall and that happens to be my favorite MJ record, and had song writing credits on half of Thriller.
I do agree that he had talent in spades, but you can see why some wouldn't place the guy up on a pedestal.
misterID, I'll respond to that post in the main MJ death thread. Similar discussion going on in three threads, and we need to narrow it down to one.
thank you...I wasn't demeaning Jackson as I love the J5 and alot of Michael's stuff. However, he is not a genius....Axl isn't a genius.......and so on. You can only say that about less than a handful of artists over the last 100 years.:peace:
Which is why I said before that the term "genius" is thrown around way too often. Let's settle with Icon.
In the media, well here in Canada anyways, they seem to refer to him more as an icon than a genius.
#503 Re: The Sunset Strip » Michael Jackson Discussion » 880 weeks ago
madagas wrote:faldor wrote:Michael Jackson was WAY more than a popular pop star. He was the King of Pop, the most successful pop star in history, one of the most recognizable celebrites across the entire world. A popular pop star is Justin Timberlake. Michael was WAY more than that. I'm not a fan of popular music per se, but you can't deny the enormous contributions he made to the genre. It isn't rock, so I don't see why the rock comparisons keep being made. Mozart was a fantastic composer but he couldn't dance like Michael or play the guitar like Hendrix, but what does it matter? They're on completely different levels and in different genres.
When I say pop music I am including rock and roll. Rock is "pop". You are missing my point. Jackson, as an artist, is not a genius. Mozart was, Dylan is, Jackson is not.
Pop and rock may have been interchangeable at one point but I don't consider them to be anymore. There's a reason "rock" doesn't rule the "pop" charts anymore.
I agree here. Rock and Pop are two completely different categories and styles of music. karma
#504 Re: The Sunset Strip » Michael Jackson Discussion » 880 weeks ago
gnfnraxl wrote:madagas wrote:don't go there...Dylan completely changed the face of rock and roll in 1965 when he went electric and brought "art" to rock and roll. Michael Jackson isn't fit to be in the same breath as Dylan. You also need to go check the writing credits for all of Michael Jackson's solo albums...which I did today....he has easily less than 50% of the songs on his solo albums written by other writers and producers. Hesimply is not an artistic genius by any measure....it is a joke to say he is.
I got MJ's records and most or like you said 50% of his songs he wrote you can't change that. And go read my post again about Dylan. I never questioned his musical talent or songwriting talent. What I did say is that there should be a law that would keep him away from any microphone cause his voice is plain awful. His songs may be good but seriously man if you think Dylan has a beautiful voice and has an amazing singing talent well really I don't know what to say cause well he can't sing.
Actually, I love his voice and his delivery. It is all about inflection and tone. Sure, some people can't handle that...some people like a soft Brazilian singer. Anyway, Dylan's whole package is far far far beyond Jackson's and pretty much anyone in pop cultures package over the last 40 years. Sorry, but history will be on Bob's side and the Beatles and so on.
See I attacked Dylan cause I knew you pretty much idolize the man and even there you couldn't respect my opinion. I respect that you like his voice. I don't understand it but I do respect that. Your frustration towards MJ I can't understand. Maybe it's because as a kid you wanted an MJ jacket and you didn't get one but anyways. To some he is a genius I happen to agree. You you do not. And you are allowed to, just at least respect that. Cause some may not respect your opinions on Dylan and well that seems to tick you off my friend. With that said no hard feelings. 
#505 Re: The Sunset Strip » Michael Jackson Discussion » 880 weeks ago
And by the way I like Dylan. I may not like his voice but I can still appreciate it man.
#506 Re: The Sunset Strip » Michael Jackson Discussion » 880 weeks ago
don't go there...Dylan completely changed the face of rock and roll in 1965 when he went electric and brought "art" to rock and roll. Michael Jackson isn't fit to be in the same breath as Dylan. You also need to go check the writing credits for all of Michael Jackson's solo albums...which I did today....he has easily less than 50% of the songs on his solo albums written by other writers and producers. Hesimply is not an artistic genius by any measure....it is a joke to say he is.
I got MJ's records and most or like you said 50% of his songs he wrote you can't change that. And go read my post again about Dylan. I never questioned his musical talent or songwriting talent. What I did say is that there should be a law that would keep him away from any microphone cause his voice is plain awful. His songs may be good but seriously man if you think Dylan has a beautiful voice and has an amazing singing talent well really I don't know what to say cause well he can't sing.
#507 Re: The Sunset Strip » Michael Jackson Discussion » 880 weeks ago
Still it's not fair to compare him to ROCK artists. Name a pop star that can play an instrument, write their own music ALL by themselves. Maybe Prince, aside from that you'd be hard pressed. The word genius gets thrown around too often. He was and always will be an icon, like him or not, that can't be denied. The freak show that he morphed into only added to his mystique.
It is thrown around too often (genius). Say Elvis. One of the most talented performers of all time if not the most talented. Calling him a genius though is pushing it cause let's face it. Elvis didn't write songs. Amd I'm a huge Elvis fan. In music I consider Lennon to be a genius, MJ was wether we like it or not. I'd say Brian Wilson is or was a genius. There are others, like Hendrix amongst others. But they are a selective group I would say (musical geniuses).
#508 Re: The Sunset Strip » Michael Jackson Discussion » 880 weeks ago
gnfnraxl wrote:madagas wrote:no it's not......what he became was pathetic.
Not immediately after Thriller he didn't. As for him being a genius. You think not. Fine. You're entitled to your opinion. I respect that. Could you at least respect the opinion of those who think he is? Sure he ain't rock n roll like faldor said but he didn't make rnr.
Not even close to self made artists like Dylan, or Prince, or Hendrix. This guy couldn't play an instrument, relied very heavily on producers, writers, and musicians. He was a very talented guy who was surrounded during his peak years by the best in the business...Quincy Jones, Berry Gordy...he was a pop product no different than Madonna or Mariah Carey. Nothing close to genius.
Unfortunately, no, I don't respect anyone's opinion who says he is a genius. A talented singer and dancer is simply not a genius. There has been hundreds of people in "pop" music who could do that.
He may have not played any instruments but he still wrote most of his songs so he was more than "talented singer and dancer". And while I'll admit Dylan's lyrics are up there. When that guy sings I sometimes wish I was actually deaf.
#509 Re: The Sunset Strip » Michael Jackson Discussion » 880 weeks ago
no it's not......what he became was pathetic.
Not immediately after Thriller he didn't. As for him being a genius. You think not. Fine. You're entitled to your opinion. I respect that. Could you at least respect the opinion of those who think he is? Sure he ain't rock n roll like faldor said but he didn't make rnr.
#510 Re: The Garden » Jordan Chandler “I Lied for my father, i’m sorry Michael” » 880 weeks ago
Oh I agree. His dad shoulb jailed. Again a man's life was destroyed by this. Why isn't this on the news though?
