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#541 Re: Guns N' Roses » This New Paradigm - so many questions.. » 562 weeks ago
And just to add to what Atari said, Slash & Duff for years have been VERY complimentary of Axl's Chinese Democracy, saying how much they liked certain stuff on it.
Unlike Axl who basically said everything Slash did post-Lies wasn't really all that special.
#542 Re: Guns N' Roses » Big Surprise - We're almost all on the same side! » 562 weeks ago
Dear Jesus God...
DJ & Orianthi in Guns N' Roses?
And Dimebag was the one to get shot... there is no God.
#543 Re: Guns N' Roses » Steven Tyler says that he has been working on the return of GN'R » 562 weeks ago
You have no idea how much I would like this!
I love the Chinese Democracy songs - but I don't much like the mix and I'm more of a traditional rock fan than into too much synth. Perhaps that makes me boring but I am what I am!
However, when I look at Axl's parts....I LOVE THEM.....like say "Oh My God" - to me that's lyrical awesomeness going on in that song - I don't much like the industrial guitars too much though. But those lyrics. Likewise I love the vocals to Riad....and pretty much all of CD....I would have loved to hear a straight up rock version of most of those tracks.
Would they re-release redone CD songs? I dunno it's nuts - but then again - Axl remade Don't Cry and put both on UYI - and they re-did "you're crazy" - and we know there's redone versions of the CD songs long after they came out - like the DJ remix and the bumble acoustic. Then there's whatever those other versions are - like the six seconds of TIL that had more electronic sounding backing but IMO cooler classic Axl vocals! If they keep doing that stuff...who knows...maybe a Slash version of CD could happen after all.
GNR is just crazy enough that it could happen.
Axl had entire remix album of Chinese ready to go for release that was done by Brain. There have also been other leaks of DJ-rearranged versions of Better, as well as acoustic versions of Better done by Ron.
If Axl was willing to do it with DJ & Ron, why the fuck wouldn't he let Slash & Duff do it?
It's an absolute no-brainer to me. Let them re-record it, release CD II with CD I as a 2nd disc, all of it re-recorded by Slash & Duff, find you a single or two to release to promote it, and just scrap the entire era and start fresh.
Like I said, Dallas-dream season scenario. Just wipe the slate clean, and pick up from 1993 on, and move forward. New GN'R never happened. 2016 GN'R is a direct-sequel to 1993.
Best solution imo
#544 Re: Guns N' Roses » This New Paradigm - so many questions.. » 562 weeks ago
Good point Otto on the VR songs. I think people have to remember this is still AXL's band. NIN as James says. Nothing's changed.
The difference between VR & CD, is that CD was recorded as a Guns N' Roses album, not to mention Axl has future material to consider and more than likely Slash & Duff's signing had performing those songs as a contingency.
Performing VR songs solo is somewhat of Slash & Duff's bread & butter as solo acts if they leave Guns. They kind of devalue their solo shows if they perform them with Guns.
Eagles eventually incorporated everyone's solo hits down the line after their reunion. It's not out of the realm of possibilities for Axl to mine Slash & Duff's best material and take a stab at it, but it would have to be VERY good.
It's a bit different having a guitarist & a bassist perform someone else's song, and make it their own. A vocalist on the other hand would have to sing someone else's lyrics, which breaks the emotional bond that Axl has with his own lyrics. I would think if Axl was willing to cover VR songs, they would either have to be re-written or they'd have to be AMAZING Scott songs or songs wrote entirely by Slash & Duff. And if they have to be re-written, I think it would make more sense to focus on new songs, rather than old ones.
The only exceptions I could see with this is songs like Fall To Pieces, that were originally GN'R songs before they were VR ones.
But to the fanboys out there, yeah it'd be great to get REAL GN'R re-records of Chinese & Slash/Duff/Izzy-post GN'R.
#545 Re: Guns N' Roses » This New Paradigm - so many questions.. » 562 weeks ago
1. Will we ever hear about Axl & Slash's very first face to face?
Probably, but it will be in a proper forum, and not on-stage. I think they might mutually do a show together to talk about it. Eddie Trunk would be the best option, but Jimmy Kimmel would be far more high profile.
2. Will both men ever explain publically how the axe was buried?
Possibly, but in THEIR way, and it'll be buried inside of a book, whether released by Axl, Slash, Duff, or a mutual GN'R gimmick. It'll be saved for financial reasons, and put in a book or movie imo.
3. How have Duff & Slash managed dealing with Axl's team including Beta and others who have been less than honorable towards the old guys?
This will NEVER be discussed. I highly doubt Jarmofuhrer will ever have any direct-contact with these guys, other than bumping into them backstage. Maybe Duff & the rest. Axl & Slash are on another level, and have their own entourages & management. Even during the new GN'R days, me thinks Mein Fuhrer was only around them briefly during the shows themselves and that was it, and any other contact was done with Del & Fernando. I doubt it went much further than that, and even if he said it did -- I wouldn't believe him. The guy is a loyalist. He'll say anything that management tells him to.
Plus there's no real reason to do dirt on the little people. Beta was just being loyal to her boy Axl, and that's respectful. Good for her. Same with Fernando & Del. Good for them. They're loyal. I respect that. Perla on the other hand... Perla might get discussed one day, if she actually Yoko'ed them getting back together and fucked with them legally and that needs to be explained how Perla kept them apart. But I doubt Slash will want to publicly slag his ex-wife for a couple reasons. 1) She's the mother of his kids, and there's no need, and 2) it could open Slash & GN'R up to Libel and considering Perla is already getting fucked on this reunion, she might be looking for ANY reason to sue them and file injunctions.
So NO -- this will NEVER be discussed for a variety of GOOD reasons imo.
4. If the money is so good and the excitement levels so high, why wouldn't Izzy jump straight in for the start and then bail if its not to his liking - not the other way 'round?
Izzy is doing it. Izzy will NEVER be a full-timer again. Never. It's just not his thang. I'm sure they ALL have Izzy's blessing. Izzy will show up like the phantom he is, and he'll fade away again 'til next time. The dude is a walking myth and I think he (and they) are fine with that. Izzy is Izzy.
Izzy has no loyalty to Steven. Only Axl imo. That's it. Slash is the one who brought Steven in if Steven gets to be there. Mark my words.
5. Why would Duff & Slash agree to play anything from CD? Does that mean Axl will sing Fall to Pieces and Slither in return?
The ONLY reason to do any of this will be because CD II, and possibly a Slash & Duff remix of CD I, are around the corner for release. The only reason I could see Axl performing VR material, is as a tribute to Scott Weiland, if Slash & Duff request it and Axl's cool with it. Then again, Scott talked a LOAD of shit about Axl.
I just couldn't see Axl performing VR and Slash-solo material (would LOVE to hear Axl on "Ghost"), unless Axl/Slash/Duff are planning some sort of 'redux' gimmick where they re-release all their songs in a box set as "Guns N' Roses" songs to try to start over with this post-1993, and start fresh, re-recording each others best songs in a "Greatest Hits that never were" type of set.
I think this is a really cool idea actually.
Guns N' Roses: Greatest Hits... and some that never were (2016)
Disc 1:
ALL GN'R catalog songs from 87-91
Disc 2:
Shuffle It All 2016 (feat. Izzy & Steven)
Time Gone By 2016 (feat. Izzy & Steven)
Beggars & Hangers On 2016 (feat. Axl & Izzy)
Mean Bone 2016 (feat. Axl)
Ghost 2016 (feat. Axl)
Back From Cali 2016 (feat. Axl)
Watch This 2016 [w/ lyrics] (feat. Axl & Steven)
Sucker Train Blues 2016 (feat. Axl & Izzy)
Slither 2016 (feat. Axl & Izzy)
Fall To Pieces 2016 [new lyrics] (feat. Axl & Izzy)
Set Me Free 2016 (feat. Axl & Izzy)
Messages 2016 [new lyrics] (feat. Axl & Izzy)
All the Chinese stuff would get re-recorded and released as "Guns N' Roses"
I think it's a neat little idea.
#546 Re: Guns N' Roses » GN'R Twitter Updates » 562 weeks ago
Haha, the newest tweet REEKS of Axl. Gotta be Axl. This way he can get a statement out, without any confirmation of it being actually him.
That was his dig at Steven Tyler & the media imo.
In other words, "I haven't talked to this guy in fucking years. He got Guns back together? Has Steven got back on the Perc's?"
Hopefully they'll all sort out how this happened. Something tells me Axl & Slash got together and had it all out over beers.
#547 Re: Guns N' Roses » Looks like rehearsals have started! » 562 weeks ago
More than likely they told him to keep it on the DL, and he got too chatty.
Axl, Slash & Duff, Richard, Dizzy & Frank, and even Steven & Matt have went media dark (which leads me to believe they are in on it).
Chris "Mother Goose" Pitman had become the official GN'R spokesman on social media and it kind of just got to the point they told him, "we love you, but shut the fuck up".
Everybody else isn't saying anything. But yet GNR's official twitter is making official statements. The last one they did reeked of Axl getting a message out, without actually confirming it was him.
#548 Re: Guns N' Roses » Just say no to corporate cash grabs » 562 weeks ago
I think the above article is kinda missing his own point.
This has nothing to do with GN'R selling out or cashing in.
It has to do with the industry putting a lack of faith or financial investment into the rock scene, and so they put it into brand names, because it's stretched thin, no different than the movie/TV industry.
They NEED brand names to make a profit. It's just smart business. And none are bigger in rock than a Guns N' Roses reunion.
Here we go
#549 Re: Guns N' Roses » Big Surprise - We're almost all on the same side! » 562 weeks ago
Agreed. There will be something.
I am thinking ALL EYES (I know mine will be) magnified on Axl & Slash's chemistry on stage, no different than VR fans in 2012 with that one-off with Scott.
If they go out there and phone it in, with all that money on the line... it might be the death of the band for good.
#550 Re: Guns N' Roses » Nightrain Official Site » 562 weeks ago
Okay...
I have to level with you guys. ALL of this was to piss you guys off into this "ridiculous argument". Why? Because I wanted to see REAL passionate responses, so I could make a valid point.
In the event anyone happens to care about the keys - we care about Axl's playing
This is the KEY.
I felt this way from the beginning. None of this imo has anything to do with Duff. This has to do with after 25 years, and Rock Hall induction, why was Dizzy Reed being treated as a touring member, despite being credited as a band member on UYI, Live Era, Chinese & Appetite For Democracy.
I wonder if Axl still considers himself "the lead keyboardist" of GN'R and that DIzzy is nothing more than a touring member to play his parts.
If that's the case, that would explain why after so much tenure, Dizzy is still treated as a hired Gun.
But the end game statement, is after the last 15 years, this move BURIES EVERYTHING that Axl worked for. EVERYTHING. How long were we all told, THIS IS A BAND! The fans, the flame wars, all the fucking shit. This is "the Axl Rose show", and you got all the defenders -- "this is a band, fuck Slash, fuck Duff, fuck Izzy", all of the shit that Axl pushed during the CD era, only too...
Completely blow its brains out. None of these guys were ever band members, including the old veteran Dizzy. I know it's stupid, but I think 25 years in the band, the guy deserved a 10-page debate, and not just "he never wrote anything, fuck that guy". I gave it all I had, and I knew it was a lose lose argument.
But as an old timer from the early Chinese era, this is a bit of a mourning process. To think of all those times, all that he was supposedly fighting for, all of the accusations of "Axl N' Roses", "the Axl Rose solo show", all of it... and guess what?
They were right
The first response is -- duh? But at the same time, I just remember the hours, the years, the band, Dizzy & Paul are gonna be all over this thing, Richard is the secret weapon, Robin kills Slash's solo (literally & figuratively)
And it was all for... nothing.
Slashites won
War over
