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#5541 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl Rose/Dexter forum chat discussion thread » 908 weeks ago

I think part of the resentment though is neither side really understanding where the other side is coming from.  Something like this - as bad as it might paint Slash - can actually be a positive because at least finally the cards are on the table.  It's hard to mend something if you don't really know what needs to be mended.  Also, as Axl stated, this is just the tip of the iceberg.

He is very Slash focused.  Some of it good (admitting again he can't make an old Guns style record without him) and a lot of it not so good (lawsuits, false accusations, etc).  There is some respect there no matter what.  I wasn't really sure of that until I read what he said.

#5542 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl Rose/Dexter forum chat discussion thread » 909 weeks ago

tejastech08 wrote:
Neemo wrote:

my comment was in regards to duff being "just along for the ride"

Duff was an alcoholic. God knows what was up with him. And Slash was a heroin addict. I don't think either one of them knew what the fuck they were doing back then.

And Axl is slightly crazy and thinks everybody is out to get him.  None of them see things clearly, though their reasons are quite different.

#5543 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl Rose/Dexter forum chat discussion thread » 909 weeks ago

Gunslinger wrote:
buzzsaw wrote:

.  What they think happened IS how it really happed...from their own point of view.

Excellent point Buzz.  I don't think it's about who's lying it's just the person's point of view, much of it in hindsight and years of analyzing.

It happens all the time, just not at this scale.  We all see the same thing differently.  Look at all the discussions here - people take a statement and read it 5 different ways based on what they want to see.  I believe Axl feels what he said is accurate.  I believe Slash believes what he said is 100% accurate (as far as he can remember at least).  It is how they saw the situation. 

tejastech08 wrote:

As to believing one over the other, I think the truth is somewhere in the middle although I tend to side with the clean guy over the guys who were wasted out of their minds at the time (Slash/Duff). I don't believe Axl 100% but I'm much closer to believing his side of things than the other guys. Call me biased, but I have a tough time taking drug addicts and alcoholics more seriously than someone who's clean. I say this as a person who's never done a drug in my life and has only gotten drunk a handful of times my whole life.

Yes, Axl was relatively sober, but to say he's completely mentally stable is a bit of a stretch.  Axl and Slash both have their issues that cloud their recollection of events and how they perceive those events.  I don't think either of them gets a pass.

#5544 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl Rose/Dexter forum chat discussion thread » 909 weeks ago

madagas wrote:
buzzsaw wrote:

You know, I'd have a lot less problems with Axl had he done this years ago.  I don't think he's any more 100% correct than Slash is, but it's very interesting to see his point of view.  What they think happened IS how it really happed...from their own point of view.  It sounds like Axl thinks Slash was as manipulated as some of us think Axl has been.  If that's the case and the 2 of them can sit down and hash it out, there's still hope for some kind of peace in the future.  It seems like he still respects Slash as a musician.  That's a positive.

Buzz, I don't see any positive there...:( Of course, he has to respect him as a musician, but the ship has sailed. He gets pretty personal and it seems he still has A LOT of issues with it. *not claiming who is right or wrong*.

I'm not talking today or tomorrow.  The future can be a very long time away.  Yes, there is a lot of resentment there, but at least some of it seems that he's blaming others for influencing him.  I think just getting this out there is a positive.  I'd be willing to bet Slash doesn't even know most of what's in that post.

#5545 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl Rose/Dexter forum chat discussion thread » 909 weeks ago

You know, I'd have a lot less problems with Axl had he done this years ago.  I don't think he's any more 100% correct than Slash is, but it's very interesting to see his point of view.  What they think happened IS how it really happed...from their own point of view.  It sounds like Axl thinks Slash was as manipulated as some of us think Axl has been.  If that's the case and the 2 of them can sit down and hash it out, there's still hope for some kind of peace in the future.  It seems like he still respects Slash as a musician.  That's a positive.

#5546 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl Rose/Dexter forum chat discussion thread » 909 weeks ago

All I can say is holy fuck.  Axl's homework is very interesting reading and I'm not even half way through the first post.  And I believe a lot of what he says (or at least that it's his perception) about what happened.  So far.

#5547 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl Rose/Dexter forum chat discussion thread » 909 weeks ago

NY Giants82 wrote:
buzzsaw wrote:
faldor wrote:

Q: - Can you take a picture of yourself with CD in your hand and add it to the "Do you Have CHinese Democracy" flickr group here http://www.flickr.com/groups/doyouhavechinesedemocracy/ 

A: Don’t have one yet!!


Axl doesn't have a copy of CD yet?  What kind of fan is he?

Maybe he's waiting to the real CD.

Good point.

There's no way that what was released was his vision.  No way.  Even as someone that's questioned a lot of what Axl's done, I know he'd have done better than this.  I think that statement he made says a lot more than anybody is giving it credit for.

#5548 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl Rose/Dexter forum chat discussion thread » 909 weeks ago

faldor wrote:

Q: - Can you take a picture of yourself with CD in your hand and add it to the "Do you Have CHinese Democracy" flickr group here http://www.flickr.com/groups/doyouhavechinesedemocracy/ 

A: Don’t have one yet!!


Axl doesn't have a copy of CD yet?  What kind of fan is he?

Maybe he's waiting to the real CD.

#5550 Re: Guns N' Roses » Official website update with link to gnrevolution.com » 909 weeks ago

Sometimes I feel like sombody's watching me.  He he he.  And I have no privacy.  Oh oh oh oh.

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