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#6441 Re: Guns N' Roses » The last minutes in Philly » 952 weeks ago

Dec 6th - 5:30, leave work.
               7:00 Meet up with friend Sean
               7:30 Leave for Wachovia Center
               8:00 Arrive in parking Lot, drink beer or two.
               8:10 Lock up car, begin journey into venue.
               8:14 Run into guy selling {counterfeit} shirts, $17 each. Offer $20 for 2, deal made.
               8:20 Enter show, hear Rush's 'Tom Sawyer playing. Turns out it's not the house music, but the Beastie Boys DJ as the opening act.
               8:25 Wait in line for $6 overpriced, stale beer.
               8:45 Find seats, on the floor, back near the soundboard.
               9:00 Anticipation builds. 2 attractive girls sit next to me.
               9:01 I tell Sean he picked the wrong seat, hahaha, j/k.
               9:10 Cheers start.
               9:12 Cheers fade.
               9:15 Talk begins..
               9:30 Cheers begin.
               9:33 Cheers fade.
               9:45 Talk begins again... {can't be true}
              10:00 Cheers begin.
              10:05 Cheers fade.
              10:10 This is odd (I'll tie into this later) Girl next to me get's call on her cell phone, I hear her say "He's not coming???" She hangs up, says something to her friend and they prepare to leave. Hearing what she said, I ask "Is the band not playing?" She says that's not it, it was something else, and leaves..
              10:15 Fans begin boooing and throwing things from the 2nd level (Sodas, popcorn etc).
              10:25 Booing stops.
              10:30 Cheering begins.
              10:40 Cheering silences. At this point a significant amount of the crowd begins leaving. In Philly Unions are strong, and no concerts can extend past midnight. Alot of us begin realizing this show isn't going to happen. But, maybe he'll work it out & pay some extraordinary fines, right???
              10:45 Booing, screaming, F-Bombs, throwing stuff continues. More people leave.
              11:00 Nearly the whole stadium stands in shock, anger, disappointment. WTF??? No one sits down again.
              11:15 That's it, it's over. Now, we were seated at the floor, and I remember looking up, and just seeing a massive amount of soda's popcorn, trash, etc being thrown down. I see the stadium ushers basically run for cover (I can't blame them, they're paid $9/hr to keep crowds under control for when concerts HAPPEN. Not for when Axl throws a hissy fit and doesn't show up). This is when the "riot" begins. More like a mini riot. Sean and I were among them. Sitting on basically fold up chairs on the B-ball & hockey ring floor, we & others nearby, pick them up, and throw them at the closest object, the soundboard. Grab more, and maybe 20 of us throw a total of 20-30 towards it. Maybe 5 make decent contact. People are running thru the halls creating a ruckus, grabbing shirts, stealing stuff I'm sure. In hindsight, I wish I had ran upstage and looked for one of their guitars.
               11:30 Leave the stadium, pass by about 30 of Philly's finest (cops) about to enter tthe stadium with the look of fear on their faces. I walk by and pat one of them on the shoulder and say "F$%& Axl!!"  They are unsure themselves of what exactly is occuring and I think one of them asked. We tell them the band never showed. One joked back "Bet you'll never see those guys again" (At the time I fully agreed, but if he came back, yeah I'd probably go) I remember the look on a black, female police officers face, and how she did not want to be there. I tell them it's not THAT bad inside, everyone's pretty much left. We walk on & begin to call friends, brothers etc about what happened.
             8:30AM Sat Here's where it all ties together in an odd way. I chose to go snowboarding the next day and leave for the Pocono's early in the morning, disappointed. On the way, I listen to the local Sports Talk Radio station, being December, I suppose to hear about the Eagles (Football team, not the band) Maybe they will bring this Philly kid happiness.) Oddly enough, the host is talking off & on about the concert and how Axl was a no-show. So a guy calls up who says he is a limo driver, and had parked his limo in a VIP section last night. He got to talking to some of the GnR crew or roadies or whatever, and they told him he probably shouldn't bother, and should call his clients and ask they leave before something happens. Axl isn't there. Confused, the driver calls his clients and says "He's not coming" Hmmmm, do you think he called the girls next to me??

#6442 Re: Guns N' Roses » The last minutes in Philly » 952 weeks ago

I was at that show, and man was I pissed. Anyway, the quotes are a pretty accurate  detail as to what went on. MiMaster Mike  did seem to go on long. Ending at 9:45 was odd. Then arount 10:30 people started questioning it, chanting asshole etc. But it wasn't until 11:15 that it was official. That's when the soda's & beer flew down from the upper level. I was sitting on the floor, a few seats from the soundboard (which isn't much of a soundboard anymore). In hindsight I should rushed the stage & looked to see if any guitars were up there as security was long gone.



I have a detailed post about the events on HTGTH. I'll look for it & copy & paste it here. I really don't feel like writing about it again.

#6443 Re: Management » An STP Section » 952 weeks ago

Neemo wrote:

and VR will prolly merge into the TWAT section IF they break up

Also a good idea. And I'd vote no on an STP section. A thread in Black Hole, myb sticky it although I don't really think so. But not it's own section. And yes, if VR disbands, do away with the section & merge it into TWAT.

#6444 Re: The Garden » McCain wants US Health Care to cover Mexico » 952 weeks ago

Nothing to be ashamed of Guns, it's called being an 'Obamacan'

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Obamacan

I really can't rationalize this healthcare bill. I don't think McCain had a close race where he would need the 'Mexican' vote in Arizona, so he would introduce a bill like this knowing it would get turned down, but he could say to them at least he tried. So that's out. I guess it was a reverse logic where if they had Healthcare, less Mexicans would immigrate. Not a bad theory, but why should WE pay. I can understand if we assisted them in establishing it (advice, guidance, time) although, who are we to advise them about it when we don't have it. But to actually PAY for it, yeah, you got me. I would be interested in hearing what the purpose of this was.

#6445 Re: The Garden » Feb. 9th-10th caucuses/primaries » 952 weeks ago

Latest Poll shows Obama would lead McCain in General Election:

Obama Narrowly Leads McCain in AP Poll
By ALAN FRAM and TREVOR TOMPSON - 14 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) '” Democrat Barack Obama would narrowly defeat Republican John McCain if they were matched today in the presidential election, while McCain and Hillary Rodham Clinton are running about even, according to new general-election sentiment since the Super Tuesday contests.

Obama outpaces Clinton in a matchup against McCain among men, minorities and moderates in an Associated Press-Ipsos poll released Monday. And she does no better than Obama when pitted against McCain among two groups that have supported her in Democratic primaries so far: women and whites.

Recent primaries and Mitt Romney's departure from the Republican race have made McCain the heavy favorite to win the GOP presidential nomination. Clinton and Obama are locked in a Democratic battle that may take weeks or even months to resolve.

When she is paired against McCain in a general election matchup, she gets 46 percent to his 45 percent, a tie, according to the poll. Obama edges McCain, the Arizona senator, 48 percent to 42 percent in their pairing.



http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iP6a … gD8UOD7BO0

If Obama sweeps today it's on. I saw he might win Virginia by 20%?!

#6446 Re: The Garden » McCain calls for Kosovo independence » 952 weeks ago

Jameslofton wrote:

"It is time to bring Kosovo - and the Balkans with it - out of the 1990s and into the 21st century

The 1990's??!  That wasn't that long ago. It's not like he's saying they're in The Dark Ages, or even the 1800's. Geeez, and this was a written prepared statement.


Don't get me wrong, it's ashame what is going on over there, we had a brief stint there in the 90's, but we really can't be the World Police. Not only is it very costly and kill soldiers, but there's just too much bad out there in the world in numerous other countries. Even in our own.

#6447 Re: The Garden » The NHL 2007-08 Season Thread » 952 weeks ago

Communist China wrote:

Flyers' Simon Gagne suffered a concussion on Sunday, but it's too early to tell how long he'll be out.

It certainly isn't good. He was out for a while already this year, plays a few games & gets another. He seems concussion prone a la Lindross & his brother. Primeau got to be the same way, but that was later in his career after suffering a few. Gagne will likely need alot of time off again. Maybe most of the regular season.

#6449 Re: The Garden » McCain wants US Health Care to cover Mexico » 952 weeks ago

Jameslofton wrote:

Its fucking unreal what the republican party has turned in to.

It really does surprise me McCain is not only winning, but winning so such margins. The Dems had 3 seemingly viable candidates (Obama, Clinton, Edwards) and Al Gore could have easily thrown his hat into this & been a contender. McCain would be like John Kerry running and walking away with the Democratic ticket.

#6450 Re: The Sunset Strip » *RUMOUR* - STP to play Ozzfest this year » 952 weeks ago

russtcb wrote:

If this is true, I'll go just to see STP.

I wasn't even a big STP fan, but I'd consider this. STP and Filter?!  Interesting....

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